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joan





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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:54 am    Post subject: Volunteers: Public Enemy #1 Reply with quote

So, if the military takes over for the RCMP, maybe we should encourage RCMP to unionize. The RCMP is corrupt through and through and needs major overhaul, as do provincial and municipal police. Keep the pressure on!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah that will work, military.......in our cities...... on our streets..... with guns..... not even arms length from the Prime Minister......we are not kidding.......

Joan don't keep your complaint for just the RCMP, spread it around for the OPP and your local constabulary, all those bosses get appointed by politician they are indeedy political animals accountable to their masters. Makes them the next best thing to yes men aka Jack boots in the making.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right.


Okay.

Lets get one thing straight here.

The military will not take over for the police.


The military will not take over for the police.


The military will not take over for the police.


http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/.....bo-ga:l_VI

The national defense act spells it out quite clearly;


Quote:
When officers and non-commissioned members have powers of constables

282. Officers and non-commissioned members when called out for service in aid of the civil power shall, without further authority or appointment and without taking oath of office, be held to have, in addition to their powers and duties as officers and non-commissioned members, all of the powers and duties of constables, so long as they remain so called out, but they shall act only as a military body and are individually liable to obey the orders of their superior officers.
R.S., 1985, c. N-5, s. 282; R.S., 1985, c. 31 (1st Supp.), s. 60.



Now then,


Quote:
Definition of “attorney general”

274. For the purposes of this Part, “attorney general” means the attorney general of any province, the acting attorney general of a province or any minister of a government of a province who performs for the time being the duties of a provincial attorney general.
R.S., c. N-4, s. 232.
Riot or disturbance

275. The Canadian Forces, any unit or other element thereof and any officer or non-commissioned member, with materiel, are liable to be called out for service in aid of the civil power in any case in which a riot or disturbance of the peace, beyond the powers of the civil authorities to suppress, prevent or deal with and requiring that service, occurs or is, in the opinion of an attorney general, considered as likely to occur.
R.S., 1985, c. N-5, s. 275; R.S., 1985, c. 31 (1st Supp.), s. 60.



Again, in support of the civil authorities. Now, lets look at the emergencies act;


Quote:

Control or direction of police force

20. (1) Nothing in a declaration of a public order emergency or in any order or regulation made pursuant thereto shall be construed or applied so as to derogate from, or to authorize the derogation from, the control or direction of the government of a province or a municipality over any police force over which it normally has control or direction.
R.C.M.P.

(2) Where the Royal Canadian Mounted Police is used or employed in a province or municipality pursuant to an arrangement under section 20 of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act, subsection (1) applies in respect of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, subject to the terms and conditions of the arrangement.



The military is not the police, the military cannot be the police. Even in situations where the Canadian forces can be called out to support civil authorities, they must act under the direction of the civil authorities and in support of the police force. Its part of our democratic system. Even if the Canadian forces were to have to move in and confront rioters, and I'm sure Mac can back me up on these facts, its in support of the police, and to provide support to them.

Trust me, I know these things.


The military cannot take over for the police, its not their role, its not what the law says. Once the military is turned inwards, we may as well pack up the flag and throw out the laws we hold so dear because we will be nothing but a mob.
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