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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 2:16 pm    Post subject: partisan Politics Reply with quote

The problem with overly partisan politics (regardless of political stripe) is that sometimes you lose the ability for critical thought and analysis. Case in point. Much has been said (and rightly so)on this board about the Liberals pissing away a billion bucks on the Long Gun Registry. But when the current government pisses away a billion on the meet and greet known as G8/G20 not a peep.Remember, this is a billion bucks that we are borrowing. Where are the howls of protest? It's the "our guys are always right, their guys are always wrong" thinking that has created the grid lock we currently see in Ottawa
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) things like this are going to cost that much money. When you have the world's leaders meeting in one place, it gets expensive.

2) the Conservatives didn't claim this meeting was only going to cost $2 million and then try to hide the fact that it wound up costing $1 billion
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:20 pm    Post subject: Re: partisan Politics Reply with quote

plantguy wrote:
The problem with overly partisan politics (regardless of political stripe) is that sometimes you lose the ability for critical thought and analysis. Case in point. Much has been said (and rightly so)on this board about the Liberals pissing away a billion bucks on the Long Gun Registry. But when the current government pisses away a billion on the meet and greet known as G8/G20 not a peep.Remember, this is a billion bucks that we are borrowing. Where are the howls of protest? It's the "our guys are always right, their guys are always wrong" thinking that has created the grid lock we currently see in Ottawa


Given that some of that money is probably meant to deal with protesters, I'm not sure how helpful additional protest would be...

Also, international diplomacy is important, especially given current economic conditions on a global scale. There are important issues that the leaders of nations need to come together to discuss.

The Long Gun Registry is different. Society functioned quite well before it came into existence, and it'll function quite well after it ceases existence (if it ever does cease to exist).
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1)Security costs at previous summits

G8 summit Japan, October 2008: $381 million
G8 summit Gleneagles, Scotland, July 2005: $110 million
G20 summit London, April 2009: $30 million
G20 summit Pittsburgh, September 2009: $18 million US

2) 3 months ago the government estimated the costs at $279 million. That's an increase of over $700 million in around 90 days. Either someone was not being upfront with the true costs or someone in the finance department needs to be fired for incompetance
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like I said, not a peep. Don't mind getting a screwing as long as it's "your guys" doing the screwing.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm suspicious of the number provided for previous meetings.

$18 million for the G20 in Pittsburg? Obama doesn't even wipe his butt for less than that.

Are you sure those aren't meetings of the G20 finance ministers and not the G20 itself?
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another one of these damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Lets not forget this thing was originally slated to cost about 160 million,

Then groups like this popped up:
http://g20.torontomobilize.org/
http://news.infoshop.org/artic.....2505523246
http://guerrillaunderground.ni.....oronto-g20

Then this happened:
http://www.ottawasun.com/news/.....88216.html

And of course this was promised:
http://www.thestar.com/news/gt.....cle/810826

What do protesters mean when they promise a ‘militant’ protests to ‘humiliate the security apparatus"?

We have the leaders from 19 countries coming to Toronto, and regardless of if the threat is real or not, these protesters, anarchists, anti-establishment groups and what have you, have made it clear there will be violence.

So what is the response?
Cancel the summit and be dictated to by a vocal minority?
Or be prepared?

Over the last two days I have watch the "tough talking" "fiscal" branch of the party bow down to these groups who have promised violence against the summit, comparing this to the gun registry? Martin's national daycare?

Shock-value at its finest.

We have 10,000+ protesters potentially descending on the city of Toronto, to put that into perspective that is three times larger then the Canadian Forces Presence in Afghanistan.

I won't argue that 900 million budgeted for a worst case scenario is insanely high, but given what has been promised I don't think any of the measures taken are "overkill".

To lay this need for security at the feet of anyone other then those who have promised violence is simply dumbfounding.
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Partisan politics are the only kind of politics that there are. All this effeminate moaning about politeness is total crap, and it will lose you whatever fight you think you are winning.

PS. If you don't think you are right, then why would you fight in the first place?
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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Blue wrote:
I'm suspicious of the number provided for previous meetings.

$18 million for the G20 in Pittsburg? Obama doesn't even wipe his butt for less than that.

Are you sure those aren't meetings of the G20 finance ministers and not the G20 itself?


My understanding is the full summit takes place yearly

Last year in London,
And the year before in Italy.

London claims the cost was around 32 million, yet Italy spent closer to 300 million.
London however did spend nearly £200 million in upgrading the security of London a year prior in response to the Subway bombing.
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