Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:20 pm Post subject: Sarah Palin Mania takes over Daytona
Just to further make my point ... This kind of racing is a huge thing in the midwest, particularly ... right up there with baseball. Any politician would love this kind of acceptance.
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Palin-mania easily surpassed Danica-mania at Daytona International Speedway on Sunday.
While Patrick got all the headlines for the better part of two weeks, she had no stake in the Daytona 500. Palin did, and as a VIP guest for the race, she ate up all the attention. (CHECK OUT THE PICTURES at the site: (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sp.....6430.story)
When she arrived for the drivers meeting, Palin was immediately mobbed. She briefly chatted with Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele, shook hands with supporters and smiled big.
She took a seat up front next to Harry Connick Jr., who sang the national anthem for the race. When NASCAR president Mike Helton acknowledged her as a special guest, she got the largest ovation from the room, packed from the front to the back with drivers, team members, support personnel and onlookers.
After sitting through the meeting, Palin could not get out the door. Fans mobbed her, asking for pictures and autographs. Her 12-person entourage, comprised of track security, a policeman, friends and spokespeople, tried to get her to the door and to her next appearance. But Palin could not help herself, and kept signing and posing for pictures.
There's a lot more, with pictures, in the sidebars of the article ...
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: Wither Sarah Palin and the Tea Party?
DixieCanuck wrote:
Freedom is for both categories, economic and social, yet social conservatives like her barge into the room yet again telling everyone what to do with their lives while claiming to be standing up for personal rights and sounding like morons, of course ruining everything for the economic conservatives.
How does Sarah Palin tell everyone "what to do with their lives"?
Can you provide examples of that, please?
If it's just because Palin is pro-life... well hey, so is Ron Paul.
And there's nothing moronic whatsoever about expecting people to behave with some modicum of personal responsibility. This is what is at the core of social conservatism. If more people were like social conservatives and valued personal responsibility, the western world would be far better off for it.
What's really moronic is how certain fiscal conservatives get so obsessed over a few differences with Palin on political issues, when they agree with her on the vast majority of political issues (and certainly on the issues that are of the greatest importance during bad economic times like right now).
Vehemently anti-Palin fiscal conservatives are only undermining their own goals on fiscal issues by attacking her.
I gotta say, Habsrwfan, a lot of people have a distaste for her that is hard to explain.
I share your perception of Sarah Palin. People who underestimate her might regret that. In any case, she's going to be one of a few voices that's going to be important in the next three years. It looks to me as if she is already 'certifying' candidates, and enabling the Tea Party takeover of the Republican Partuy.
The fact is that Sarah Palin draws a crowd, and she can do wonders in helping individual candidates finance their candidacies. By next year, this time, she might be owed a lot of favours. Who knows now it will unfold?
But a lot of people don't want to see what she's accomplishing. They are wedded to the notion that she's an empty-headed ditz, they don't even listen to what she says, they just start making fun of it. And, it seems to me, women are the worst. Strange.
He's a consistent Libertarian that proposes things like Audit the Fed that many call loony I suppose. In fact many things he said that got called loony are rearing their ugly head. Global Tax anyone? Gordon Brown will oblige. He's educated many, many people on what the Federal Reserve is and is doing among other things that people should know.
She appears to many to just be an idiot. She isn't educating anybody on anything and much less likely to be able to come up with a coherent policy. Look at the retard thing... seriously, she just needs to stop now and let less-stupid people take on Obama and the socialists.
She did endorse Ron Paul's son Rand for the Senate in Kentucky recently. Maybe she does know a little something.. or maybe it's all the copies of Ron Paul's bestselling "Revolution" and "End the Fed" books that the Tea Partiers carry around like bibles that got noticed.
When Ron Paul had his counter-convention to the Republican Party in '08, they were the real Tea Partiers before it had a name. They didn't just appear out of nowhere y'know... it started with the Libertarian-Conservative opposition to Bush/Cheney and then McCain/Palin.
In her defense... running with McCain, I don't think she had any real idea where she stood except for a handful of issues.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Wither Sarah Palin and the Tea Party?
Habsrwfan wrote:
DixieCanuck wrote:
Freedom is for both categories, economic and social, yet social conservatives like her barge into the room yet again telling everyone what to do with their lives while claiming to be standing up for personal rights and sounding like morons, of course ruining everything for the economic conservatives.
How does Sarah Palin tell everyone "what to do with their lives"?
Can you provide examples of that, please?
If it's just because Palin is pro-life... well hey, so is Ron Paul.
And there's nothing moronic whatsoever about expecting people to behave with some modicum of personal responsibility. This is what is at the core of social conservatism. If more people were like social conservatives and valued personal responsibility, the western world would be far better off for it.
What's really moronic is how certain fiscal conservatives get so obsessed over a few differences with Palin on political issues, when they agree with her on the vast majority of political issues (and certainly on the issues that are of the greatest importance during bad economic times like right now).
Vehemently anti-Palin fiscal conservatives are only undermining their own goals on fiscal issues by attacking her.
It's social conservatives that tell people what to do with their lives with socially conservative laws and that is a group that she identifies which is a poison pill to many that would otherwise be supportive of the economic policies. Ron Paul's thing for states rights means that battle is fought at a more local level rather than a one size fits all solution. Ron Paul also supports legalization of marijuana at the federal level which most social conservatives do not.
It's fine to BE socially conservative. It's quite another to expect something of someone other than the right to be left alone. As long as someone is not impeding my life, liberty or property, why should I care what they do in their house? Valuing personal responsibility and demanding your definition of personal ressponsibility from others is two different things. Ron Paul's libertarian way about personal responsibility is that you can do whatever you want, to yourself, but you also have to deal with the consequences and the government will not be there to help. Charity will help those that make bad personal decisions but nobody should have to bear the cost of others bad behavior.
I think that is a much better way to bring about more personal responsibilty than to tell people what they have to do or face punishment. The punishment should be the natural consequences of bad decisions and the help to those that honestly need help is given by those who voluntarily give it. Since government no longer pays with our taxes, the people have the ability to give to charity and maybe even to volunteer since they may not have to work so much to pay so much tax. Those charities will be much better at deciding who needs help than the government.
We want the same thing, more personal responsibility, and don't disagree that those who don't practice it are bad for themselves and society but libertarian conservatives think it should be done freely and economically. Social conservatives want to inflict punishment if you don't adhere to their brand of personal responsibility.
Why would those who fight so much for personal economic freedom think that social freedom needs to be curtailed when it seems so unnecessary?
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: Wither Sarah Palin and the Tea Party?
Bugs wrote:
The Tea Party movement is having a kind of a convention in -- where else? -- Nashville, Tennessee.
The US media never knows how to deal with the Tea Party movement. For a long time, they ignored it. Then, they mischaracterized it. They tried to label it as racist and fringe. The trouble was -- the media itself was caught, focussing on a guns rights activist at an early Tea Party. Aha! they trumpeted ... racist militia types.
But the picture was cropped in such a way that it showed the gun without showing that it was being carried by a black man! It was exposed on the internet.
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Things are on the move in America. The Country and Western crowd are coming on board ... it's a good thing. It's a very good thing. Democracy is coming to the USA.
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The denigraters of the "Tea Partiers" (call them Teabaggers") picked an awful venue for their rants; the Massachusetts special Senate election. They forgot, somehow, that the original Boston Tea Party was held, where?
These elitists have a real tin ear when it comes to the highlights of tihs countries' battle for freedom. It started with the Tea Party. Being anti-tax and pro-small government has been a recurring thread in American history.
The Democrats forgot that with Carter during 1977-81, and are now forgetting it again. Now with the Internet the American rebuke is a lot more stinging and faster. To quote The Who, "we're not going to take it, never did and never will".
But a lot of people don't want to see what she's accomplishing. They are wedded to the notion that she's an empty-headed ditz, they don't even listen to what she says, they just start making fun of it. And, it seems to me, women are the worst. Strange.
I personally hope, that absolutely everyone who "matters" ignores what she is doing. Better still if they were to make fun of it.
Don't get too high on Sarah. No one quits mid-term from a Governor's post unless something is badly wrong.
If she had not quit, she would be fighting nuisance suits and lawfare battles full time. You have to remember, US law is still backwards here, and the loser does not pay, so there is no barrier to entry. They really need to fix that.
PS. As for being a loon, the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. He has been solidly on the fringe of American politics for what, 70 years? Never going about 8 or 10% support. He is the only Republican I know of who was desperate enough (or loony enough, take your pick) to court the truther vote. He is into the conspiracy theories. He does have some good ideas, but I would prefer a sane person with those same ideas.
If the guy you are backing cannot win wide spread support after decades of perseverance, at some point you simply have to step back and ask what the problem is. Maybe it is not 90% of Americans, maybe it is actually Ron Paul?
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I am an attorney. One time, my client in New Jersey obtained a judgment against another New York lawyer. When I went to serve her with a questionaire to examine her assets, I saw a blank chedk on her desk. I wrote down the account number on my hand and promptly stopped at Chemical Bank (now a part of J.P. Morgan Chase) and froze her account. My client won; the deadbeat lawyer lost.
I am an attorney. One time, my client in New Jersey obtained a judgment against another New York lawyer. When I went to serve her with a questionaire to examine her assets, I saw a blank chedk on her desk. I wrote down the account number on my hand and promptly stopped at Chemical Bank (now a part of J.P. Morgan Chase) and froze her account. My client won; the deadbeat lawyer lost.
So you are one of those people who are taking the shots at Palin for the writing on her hand.
You mentioned you are a lawyer, perhaps you shouldn't take too many shots at people. Lawyers are pretty open to shots themselves.
By the way, you mentioned you had a funny story..... :?
Don't get too high on Sarah. No one quits mid-term from a Governor's post unless something is badly wrong.
Whether or not Ron is a loon he was not on the receiving end of a full court press, if you'll pardon the puns, as was Mrs. Palin, from the Democrat-media complex.
Is there anything at all they can throw at her now? She writes on her hand?! Oh noes!
There is definitely something wrong when a phalanx of investigators descend on Alaska, and the people of America are told far more about the candidate for VP than the guy in office. And when all the complaints against the Governor are proven unsubstantiated, was that reported by these 'journalists' in bold headlines and cunning sound-bites?
As a private citizen with the financial ability to hire very good lawyers, Sarah does not have to tolerate the media or any other opinion with an asshole failing to obey existing slander and libel laws.
Don't get too high on Sarah. No one quits mid-term from a Governor's post unless something is badly wrong.
If she had not quit, she would be fighting nuisance suits and lawfare battles full time. You have to remember, US law is still backwards here, and the loser does not pay, so there is no barrier to entry. They really need to fix that.
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When was the last time a governor was forced to resign because of nuisance suits ? Did Reagan? Bush? Huckabee? Romney ?. Never as far as I know.
Not arguing with your lawfare point, but that crap is part of public life. Palin with her 100k speaches is probably more able to defend against it than most.
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