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Mac
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| Cool Blue wrote: | 35 outraged people took to the streets of Toronto today to protest prorougation.
Better watch out Harper. |
How much do you want to bet they were paid to show? ;)
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IanM
Joined: 28 Jan 2009
Posts: 236
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Location: Nova Scotia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| I also wonder how many of them were non partisan? |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| IanM wrote: | The Fair voting section of the platform;
| Quote: | • Have a referendum on replacing our First-Past-The-Post (FPTP) voting system
with Single Transferable Vote (STV).
• Introduce 100% publicly funded election campaigns to level the playing
field for all candidates.
• As part of our policy of political reform allow direct election of the Premier
for a fixed term using a 50%+1 system. |
Although with the idea of a 100% publicly funded election, I do have some alternative ideas in regards to that.
As well as most of the section on The Citizen's voice
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• Start a process to free the legislature from government manipulation.
• Introduce Recall so that constituents may 'fire' their representative.
• Introduce Citizen's Initiative allowing citizens to propose and vote on their
own bills.
• Introduce true fixed election dates harmonized with municipal and school
board elections.
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To be exact. The rest actually works well for me. I actually support the rest of the platform as it fits my views on the role of government, as well as what is needed for Nova Scotia. |
Thanks for posting.
Two adjustments. We no longer call for public funding of candidates, rather a series of electoral reforms where independent candidates are given equal time at series of all-candidate debates sponsored by Elections NS (drawing on my experience as an independent in the last election). We want to see the cap on election donations lifted since it interferes with the individual's right to donate, donations limited to private NS electors only (no companies, no groups, no out of province) and eliminate all public funding of parties.
Second on Recall, not fire their rep, rather trigger a new bye-election and the rep can run if they so choose. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Cool Blue wrote: | 35 outraged people took to the streets of Toronto today to protest prorougation.
Better watch out Harper. |
The real test will be January 23ed at 1pm. There is also a small group in Truro today protesting I believe since the PM is there. |
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Interesting article on who the 200,000 facebookians are.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com.....le1438807/
Extracts
To begin, contrary to the view that Facebook is entirely youth driven, just under half of those who completed the survey were 45 years of age or older. Thirty-four per cent were aged 31 to 44 and 16 per cent answered that they were aged 18 to 30.
96 per cent of the participants said they voted in the last federal election
Finally, given that Canadians Against Proroguing Parliament has signed up twice the number of Facebook members than all the political leaders combined (Conservatives 29,616; Liberals 28,898; NDP 27,713; Bloc 4,020; for a collective total of 90,247 fans) |
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IanM
Joined: 28 Jan 2009
Posts: 236
votes: 6
Location: Nova Scotia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| atlanticaparty wrote: | | IanM wrote: | The Fair voting section of the platform;
| Quote: | • Have a referendum on replacing our First-Past-The-Post (FPTP) voting system
with Single Transferable Vote (STV).
• Introduce 100% publicly funded election campaigns to level the playing
field for all candidates.
• As part of our policy of political reform allow direct election of the Premier
for a fixed term using a 50%+1 system. |
Although with the idea of a 100% publicly funded election, I do have some alternative ideas in regards to that.
As well as most of the section on The Citizen's voice
| Quote: |
• Start a process to free the legislature from government manipulation.
• Introduce Recall so that constituents may 'fire' their representative.
• Introduce Citizen's Initiative allowing citizens to propose and vote on their
own bills.
• Introduce true fixed election dates harmonized with municipal and school
board elections.
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To be exact. The rest actually works well for me. I actually support the rest of the platform as it fits my views on the role of government, as well as what is needed for Nova Scotia. |
Thanks for posting.
Two adjustments. We no longer call for public funding of candidates, rather a series of electoral reforms where independent candidates are given equal time at series of all-candidate debates sponsored by Elections NS (drawing on my experience as an independent in the last election). We want to see the cap on election donations lifted since it interferes with the individual's right to donate, donations limited to private NS electors only (no companies, no groups, no out of province) and eliminate all public funding of parties.
Second on Recall, not fire their rep, rather trigger a new bye-election and the rep can run if they so choose. |
I agree with you on the removal of election donations. However I think that you should remove the prohibition of NS electors only. Again, individual right to donate.....Public Funding of parties should be limited, and only to re-reimburse regulatory expenses yes? However the requirement for a deposit in order to be on the ballot should be eliminated, as all Canadian citizens do have the right to run for public office.
Also in regards to election donation caps. I have an idea to put forward out to your party. Allow the cap to remain at 5000 dollars that can be donated directly to the candidate or campaign. However, any further contributions should be made directly to Elections Nova Scotia, who should then give the money to the campaign / candidate. That way there is a layer of double blind operation. I think that it should reduce corruption.
The only thing is, Corporations are considered persons or having equivalent rights (Correct me if I'm wrong here, I'm not sure exactly how it operates?) under the law....how do you get around that?
As for the equal time program....Something tells me that it is unworkable, especially if you have large fields of candidates. Plus, elections NS is an organization there only to run the elections process. Why should their mandate be extended to force debates? Should candidates wish to debate or not, and how it goes, then that is up to them and their campaigns. We cannot force candidates to do anything really, it is up to them to do what they need to vote.
I like your idea of a recall causing a by election, however how would it be administered? How would you prevent it from being abused? How would it be administer? How would we remove partisan influences from it? |
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| Quote: | | Finally, given that Canadians Against Proroguing Parliament has signed up twice the number of Facebook members than all the political leaders combined (Conservatives 29,616; Liberals 28,898; NDP 27,713; Bloc 4,020; for a collective total of 90,247 fans) |
To put those numbers into perspective; at over 7 times that number, the "Do you like to party?" group has over 1.5 million supporters. |
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A more meaningful item would be how many voted Conservative? Based on the rabid Harper hating topics being discussed by the group, I doubt there are many that fall into that category.
Saturday will determine whether CAPP is a force of some kind, or just a farce. |
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| IanM wrote: | | atlanticaparty wrote: | | IanM wrote: | The Fair voting section of the platform;
| Quote: | • Have a referendum on replacing our First-Past-The-Post (FPTP) voting system
with Single Transferable Vote (STV).
• Introduce 100% publicly funded election campaigns to level the playing
field for all candidates.
• As part of our policy of political reform allow direct election of the Premier
for a fixed term using a 50%+1 system. |
Although with the idea of a 100% publicly funded election, I do have some alternative ideas in regards to that.
As well as most of the section on The Citizen's voice
| Quote: |
• Start a process to free the legislature from government manipulation.
• Introduce Recall so that constituents may 'fire' their representative.
• Introduce Citizen's Initiative allowing citizens to propose and vote on their
own bills.
• Introduce true fixed election dates harmonized with municipal and school
board elections.
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To be exact. The rest actually works well for me. I actually support the rest of the platform as it fits my views on the role of government, as well as what is needed for Nova Scotia. |
Thanks for posting.
Two adjustments. We no longer call for public funding of candidates, rather a series of electoral reforms where independent candidates are given equal time at series of all-candidate debates sponsored by Elections NS (drawing on my experience as an independent in the last election). We want to see the cap on election donations lifted since it interferes with the individual's right to donate, donations limited to private NS electors only (no companies, no groups, no out of province) and eliminate all public funding of parties.
Second on Recall, not fire their rep, rather trigger a new bye-election and the rep can run if they so choose. |
I agree with you on the removal of election donations. However I think that you should remove the prohibition of NS electors only. Again, individual right to donate.....Public Funding of parties should be limited, and only to re-reimburse regulatory expenses yes? However the requirement for a deposit in order to be on the ballot should be eliminated, as all Canadian citizens do have the right to run for public office.
Also in regards to election donation caps. I have an idea to put forward out to your party. Allow the cap to remain at 5000 dollars that can be donated directly to the candidate or campaign. However, any further contributions should be made directly to Elections Nova Scotia, who should then give the money to the campaign / candidate. That way there is a layer of double blind operation. I think that it should reduce corruption.
The only thing is, Corporations are considered persons or having equivalent rights (Correct me if I'm wrong here, I'm not sure exactly how it operates?) under the law....how do you get around that?
As for the equal time program....Something tells me that it is unworkable, especially if you have large fields of candidates. Plus, elections NS is an organization there only to run the elections process. Why should their mandate be extended to force debates? Should candidates wish to debate or not, and how it goes, then that is up to them and their campaigns. We cannot force candidates to do anything really, it is up to them to do what they need to vote.
I like your idea of a recall causing a by election, however how would it be administered? How would you prevent it from being abused? How would it be administer? How would we remove partisan influences from it? |
I still think there should be no public funding. Why should political parties have such a privileged position? As far as I know there are no 'regulatory expenses' except perhaps audit fees. I do agree that the barriers to entry for candidates must be lowered, perhaps increase the signatures needed but waive the deposit.
Regarding donations, I also think that they all should be disclosed within 24 hours of receipt. I want to know if a candidate just received a million dollars from the Irvings. Currently the audited info comes out after the election.
Corporations don't vote so why should they be able to donate? I don't think there is a problem here, NS already bars organizations and companies.
Elections NS (or someone) would be tasked with ensuring, after the nominations are in, that there is least several all-candidate debates, you simply rent a hall and put the word out, poeple would come to expect it. Candidates do not have to come. When I ran there were no such events. Since I had no money I could not compete with the big parties in terms of literature and signage (they are expensive!), other than going door to door (which I did but there is no way I could cover the whole riding) there was no way for the electors to even find out who I was and what the message was. If it was not for a small event at a high school I never would have even met my opponents! I think even one all-candidate event would have gone a long way in letting electors get to know and interact with the candidates.
Recall could be modeled on the BC version, they have had it for about 10 years now. And as far as I know no-one has been recalled despite several campaigns, which indicates that the requirements are set sufficiently high that partisan-ism is kept out. |
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IanM
Joined: 28 Jan 2009
Posts: 236
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Location: Nova Scotia
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Even then, audit fees are a 'regulatory expense'. They should be of course reimbursed for it, or it should be provided by Elections NS. The deposit, well I never understood why it was needed, as a symbol, maybe a dollar or something in order to get your name on the ballot....
Disclosure of Donations would be a minefield to say it lightly. Within 24hours....you'd have to have someone constantly disclosing donations, and constantly updating and releasing lists. It wouldn't be easy, or quick. Thinking on that, perhaps my idea of donating to Elections Nova Scotia could work for all donations over a set amount that isn't in cash. Looking at that really, it would help as it would streamline the process as well.
Elections NS shouldn't have that mandate for debates, as it opens up so many holes for people to poke in debates and their affect in elections. I don't want to see them have any part other than the actual balloting, and the registration of candidates, expenses and electors. I say this, because you could have huge conflicts between parties and between Elections NS... and nuisance lawsuits coming out of it, and well we don't want that.
In regards to debates, I think what needs to happen is that another group, either governmental, or non governmental needs to stand up and take over it, something similar to the Commission on Presidential Debates or what we have here. Allowing citizens and representatives from the parties to decide on it...
Talking of campaigning.....I understand Atlantica is a new party, a very new and unknown quantity. I also know that leaflets and sign age are expensive. What needs to happen is that the party needs to form and develop between elections. They have about 3 years to get ready for the next election, and I think that given the proper plan, and proper ideas, as well as the building of a good basis they could do better next time. They really need to start from the ground up...the whole grass roots insurgency is nice, but it needs to go a lot further than that.
I have a rough idea on how to get there, it would only start to get the message out, it would only start to get things rolling. Remember, the campaign really never ends, and the campaign always runs, even when there is four years between elections. They need to hit the ground now, they need to hit it hard and start sprinting, sprinting forward to grab the message and try to build for the next campaign. A lot doesn't cost the money, a lot costs very little money. There are ways to get your name, and the message out without spending a lot of money, and now is the best time.
The problem is, I think the huge falacy is that we forget the type of electorate Nova Scotia has, it is very much retail politics, it is very much regional, people often just vote for the parties, or the MLA they know and trust who was their mother's cousin's best friend in kindergarten....How many people really pay attention to local debates, or even the provincial debates? How many people vote on party loyalty alone? Nova Scotia is very factional, my family is liberal, and they vote liberal regardless. I was expected to vote liberal, however I'm a conservative, and proud of it.
Anyways, I have some ideas on campaigning and where Atlantica needs to go to grow in the next little while.....If you want to talk more on it, PM me. |
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