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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:46 pm    Post subject: David Suzuki compares Climate Change to Slavery! Reply with quote

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SOLOMON: You talk about 2006. But the CBC has obtained documents that raise questions about the government's ability to even meet that 20 percent reduction from 2006 levels of greenhouse gas emissions by 2020. Today the environment minister, Jim Prentice, he did stick by that goal. But there is word that they're thinking about giving the oil sands perhaps a different break on that.


SUZUKI: Of course.

SOLOMON: And in fact, what's your view on that?

SUZUKI: Of course. Well, you know...

SOLOMON: And by the way, they're saying because it is, by the way, because the oil sands creates jobs, creates money that is transferred to other provinces, and that's their notion of the balance.

SUZUKI: You know, that's what they used to say in the southern states. We can't give up slavery because it'll destroy our economy and slavery gives us jobs and we have to have slave runners and all of that. Some things you do because they're right. And you know, the problem is...

SOLOMON: But David, just for the record, and I know you're passionate, but is comparing this to slavery, is that fair, to demonize the other side like that?

SUZUKI: We're talking about the fate of all of humankind and the kind of future we're going to leave for our children. Yes, I think this is criminal what's going on now, to act as if the economy. Remember, the economy is a human- created construct. It's not a law of nature. You know, some things like gravity and the speed of light, you can't do anything about that. We can't do anything about the fact that we're animals, and if we don't have clean air, clean water, clean soil, clean energy and biodiversity, we're dead. So, surely to goodness that should come before anything else. That's our very survival mechanism. And yet, we have put the economy above that. All I'm asking for my leader, Mr. Harper as my prime minister, please tell us whether or not you think human-induced climate change is real and whether it's serious. At least I'd like to know what our starting position is on this, because Canada as a country is probably more vulnerable to climate change than any of the other industrialized nations.

SOLOMON: And so...

SUZUKI: We're a northern country.

SOLOMON: And so David, I mean you've said that you think this Copenhagen summit is doomed. What would you like to see happen there? Given all, you know, your criticisms about nationalism and the ability and what you say is the prime minister's lack of commitment on this, what would you like to see happen at Copenhagen?

SUZUKI: Well, I'd like to see Copenhagen say, look, we can't get a deal. We are not going to water it down just to suit Canada or Saudi Arabia. We want a strong, hard deal. We'll wait until next year, until we get the negotiations going along further. But we've got to say nature sets the limits, not us. Nature. And nature has already indicated we're producing more carbon dioxide than all of the green things in the ocean and on land can reabsorb. That's a limit.

SOLOMON: What is the enforceable target? I mean, the key is, you know, we had those targets at Kyoto. Countries just decided not to abide by them. How do you, is there a mechanism that can make countries abide by them and actually make some hard targets?

SUZUKI: I'm not a politician. I would have thought that there are international ways of making such deals and enforcing them with sanctions or whatever you want to do. One of our criticisms of Kyoto was it had no teeth. It was just something that was set. And by the way, most of the countries that signed on are going to meet those targets. But there was no way of, of enforcing them if a country like Canada came along and said, oh, we're not going to do anything about it anyway. We need, if we're going to have such, such regulation we need ones with teeth, a way of punishing those that fail to, to meet them. If we don't have that, then it's just on paper and any rinky-dink country or person can say, no, I'm not going to even bother trying. We've got to, we've got to say that the world on which we depend is telling us what the limits are and we have to get our activities down to live within those limits as quickly as possible.

SOLOMON: Even if you say that costs people their standard of living and costs people jobs?

SUZUKI: Well, I mean, we haven't even begun to try to reduce emissions. I think that the opportunities are enormous. Just look at what Germany has done. Their major job-producing area is in the renewable energy sector. They made a commitment and they realized the, the enormous benefits. So, to start off by saying, oh my god, if we get off petrochemicals, my god, it's going to be. We haven't even looked at what the alternatives are. I want to tell you something. I was a senior in college in the United States in 1957, October 4, 1957. Do you know what happened?

SOLOMON: Go ahead.

SUZUKI: The Soviet Union launched Sputnik. Now, in the months that followed we were horrified to see that they were so far ahead of the United States. They launched the first animal, the first man, the first team, the first woman. And meanwhile, the Americans were trying to get one satellite up into orbit. They didn't just say, oh god, it'll destroy our economy to try to catch up. They said we've got to beat these guys. And when Kennedy said we're going to land on the moon before them, nobody complained. And guess what? They realized enormous benefits that nobody even predicted, GPS, cell phones, round-the-clock news channels. Well, maybe that's not so good.

SOLOMON: No, that's good David.

SUZUKI: A virtual stranglehold on Nobel prizes. I mean, make the commitment and the opportunities will come.

SOLOMON: David Suzuki, it's always good to talk to you. Thanks for coming in.

SUZUKI: See you.

SOLOMON: Thanks David.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great ghosts of Goodwin that man needs an enema and a good spanking (not the kind you pay extra for in Copenhagen either.)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting that Suzuki brings up the Space Race as an example. The Space Race was, of course, just a facet of the larger arms race during the Cold War, which cost the US a mere $389 Billion per year in Defence expenditures alone. And one of the biggest reasons that the Soviet Empire ultimately collapsed? They spent themselves into oblivion trying to win the arms race. What an asinine way to cherry pick from history, considering that the central planners lost that one big time.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ironic that Fruitfly Guy acknowledges he isn't a politician. He isn't a historian, a climatologist or an economist either but that doesn't stop him from spewing opinion like it's fact.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh my god it was only -46 in edmonton this week we must stop global warming!destroy the economy at once it will kill us all!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is suzuki right in asking if harper believes it?

i mean, has harper ever said whether or not he thinks it is real?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BHundo wrote:
is suzuki right in asking if harper believes it?

i mean, has harper ever said whether or not he thinks it is real?

At one point, PMSH described the Kyoto Protocol as being "a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations." but he wasn't the PM back then. Draw your own conclusions.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's also video of Suzuki comparing human beings to maggots on the internet somewhere...

If anyone is on facebook there's a group called "David Suzuki is a Terrorist" that you can join for laughs. :D
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jason Kauppinen wrote:
There's also video of Suzuki comparing human beings to maggots on the internet somewhere...

If anyone is on facebook there's a group called "David Suzuki is a Terrorist" that you can join for laughs. :D


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