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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good points, Ian, but I doubt NATO has the will to make it happen, even if Obama pushes...

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Missouri National Guard soldiers are doing some unique and amazing work in agricultural development in Afghanistan.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting video. Thanks for posting it!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is the problem Mac,

There's a lack of political will, and it will destroy the mission and any hope for the Afghanistan's future.

It happened in Iraq, it happened in Vietnam, and it will happen again. Sadly, the west has become insular, and it will cause a lot more pain and suffering over the long term.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather than following President Bush's successful Iraq war winning policy, it looks like Barack Hussein Obama is going to follow Harpers' policy of cutting, running and surrendering to the Taliban terrorist.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IanM wrote:
That is the problem Mac,

There's a lack of political will, and it will destroy the mission and any hope for the Afghanistan's future.

It happened in Iraq, it happened in Vietnam, and it will happen again. Sadly, the west has become insular, and it will cause a lot more pain and suffering over the long term.


I agree, almost all counterinsurgency experts agree that Afghanistan is a "long war" just like any other successful counterinsurgency (ie malaya). The generals and commanders on the ground will be able to do their job properly if they are assured that western governments are committed. Afghanistan will take anywhere from 10-20 years of military engagement and maybe 40 years for a truly, free and peaceful democratic society to be established.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

potan wrote:

Afghanistan will take anywhere from 10-20 years of military engagement and maybe 40 years for a truly, free and peaceful democratic society to be established.


That might be a little optimistic. The have had centuries of military engagement and gotten nowhere.

I would agree though that the time table is a mistake.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WE CUT, SURRENDER & RUN; TERRORISTS WIN


The weird concept of “having done our share”, according to a timetable is an innovative and bizarre notion pursuant to fighting a war. What kind of world would we be living in today if Churchill and Roosevelt had cut, run and surrendered in 1944 instead of devastating the Germans in Normandy, and the Japanese in Saipan and the Philippines, as well as ending the German blockade of Leningrad? Fortuitously for us that these two world class leaders were not imbeciles like our current naive leaders.

Terrorists sympathizing politicians who voted for surrendering the battlefield in 2011 are informing the Taliban terrorists that all that is required of them to win the Afghanistan war on terrorism is to patiently hang on until 2011 when our valiant soldiers will be commanded to retreat in humiliation. These left-wing politicians are further advising the Afghanistan people that they are being forsaken to the embolden terrorists who have obviously won the war. Canada’s far-left politicians are indicating to women and children that they will no longer be liberated students or business women, but will be victims of rape and murder; just like in the old days when Afghanistan was a breathing ground for terrorism. Once again Afghanistan will export terrorists around the world including Canada, thanks to Mr. Harper and his ambitions.

Our capitulation not only leaves the Afghanistan people as victims, but also transmits word around the world that Canada is a cowardly country that refuses to fight its share of the war against terrorism. Canada is telling NATO that we will once again rely on the United States for our security since, as wimps, we can not defend ourselves. We are weakling our friends and emboldening the terrorists. We are reminding the world of Quebec’s despicable behavior in 1917 and again in 1942 when they embarrassed Canada during the Conscription Crisis. If we cut and run from Afghanistan, history will see Canada as a feeble, bungling country of terrorist loving wimps!

If Canada surrenders from killing Afghanistan terrorists in 2011 we will be abandoning our heroic troops and informing the parents and love ones of our dead troops that they died in vain; their terrorist’s murders will never be held responsible for their death. Canada’s far-left wing, terrorist deferential parties must amend their policies of refusing to support our Canadian troops. The extremists in the opposition parties must be persuaded that terrorism, and especially the Taliban’s expedition of terrorism, is not tolerable. However, persuading these morons may or may not be possible. Like most left-wing morons Mr. Ignatieff, Duceppe and Layton and their fellow lunatics want to blame society rather than their beloved Terrorists for the war on terrorism.

War is not a hockey game that you play until the whistle goes after sixty minutes. By cutting and running from Afghanistan after 2011 we will fortify the terrorists in Afghanistan, vitalize Canadian terrorists, dishonor our dead soldiers, and place Canadian citizens in greater danger of being victims of these terrorists animals just as Churchill and Roosevelt would have done in 1944.

The US, Canada and the allies must not leave Afghanistan until they have effectively realized an amended mandate: annihilate the Taliban and al-Qaeda and their leaders. This mandate would abundantly discharge the first principle of foreign policy: security. The west should not be endeavoring to revolutionize or transform a society that has subsisted in its current mode for over two thousand years.

Canada must consent to the invitation to have Canadian Forces provide continued support for the NATO mission.
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