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BHundo





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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:39 pm    Post subject: why I am an atheist Reply with quote

They got me at a young age :)

This radio show was broadcast in Vancouver where I grew up

ps don't listen if you are easily offended


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This guy is very naive or very stupid. The majority of Christians were not born into the religion, but came to it on their own. And atheists didnít start wars I am sure the White Russians, Ukrainians, Chinese who were killed in the name of communism, which is an atheist ideology, would have a different view on that.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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in the name of communism, which is an atheist ideology


I must be the naive one.. I don't see how not believing in god has anything to do with communism. Can you explain?

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The majority of Christians were not born into the religion


how do you know that?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BHundo wrote:
I must be the naive one.. I don't see how not believing in god has anything to do with communism. Can you explain?


If you can label England or the USA or France as Christian countries then surely we can label China and Russia as atheist countries.

People start wars because of differences. If the entire world was atheist there would be just as many wars for different reasons. It is human nature.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I must be the naive one.. I don't see how not believing in god has anything to do with communism. Can you explain?


"Religion is the opiate of the masses."

Who said that?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you can label England or the USA or France as Christian countries then surely we can label China and Russia as atheist countries.


I don't label them as christian countries. And if I did it would just be a meaningless label.

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People start wars because of differences. If the entire world was atheist there would be just as many wars for different reasons. It is human nature.


Nobody is saying atheism = peace. Some people are saying that atheists would not have flown planes into buildings for 72 virgins. There are many many many wars that have nothing to do with religion.


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"Religion is the opiate of the masses."

Who said that?


first of all its not "religion is the opiate of the masses", it is "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

and second, "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches"

Who said that?

I understand that the man was an atheist and also thought up a political idea. If he drank milk on Tuesdays would you link marxism to that as well?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can't even recognize the relationship between communism and religion then we might as well shut down this thread because there is no point in debating with somebody who can't recognize reality.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you can't even recognize the relationship between communism and religion then we might as well shut down this thread because there is no point in debating with somebody who can't recognize reality.


please humour me, I really don't understand how atheism caused communism (if thats what you are saying, I don't know). I can recognize reality if its in front of me, but I suppose I could be a little slow with history and you might be able to explain it to me. I am being serious.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BHundo wrote:
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If you can label England or the USA or France as Christian countries then surely we can label China and Russia as atheist countries.


I don't label them as christian countries. And if I did it would just be a meaningless label.

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People start wars because of differences. If the entire world was atheist there would be just as many wars for different reasons. It is human nature.


Nobody is saying atheism = peace. Some people are saying that atheists would not have flown planes into buildings for 72 virgins. There are many many many wars that have nothing to do with religion.


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"Religion is the opiate of the masses."

Who said that?


first of all its not "religion is the opiate of the masses", it is "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

and second, "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches"

Who said that?

I understand that the man was an atheist and also thought up a political idea. If he drank milk on Tuesdays would you link marxism to that as well?


Why was one of the first acts of communists in Russia and China to close the churches down, and to ban religions?

Are all atheist communist? No, but were the founders of communism, and Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Che all atheists? You bet they were!

The problem with Atheists is that they paint all religions under the same brush. Islamists who slammed airplanes into buildings, and commit Jihad on all of us is the same as Christians, or Jews. Atheists are part of the problem. Atheism is a major problem on why the Western Christian culture has become so diluted. They deny historical truths on the fact that Jesus was a real person, they believe the bible is full of lies, yet even historians use it as a reference because it is such a high quality historical guide. It is not people who believe in God who are making a leap of faith, because there is MORE evidence of the existence of God than there is of his non-existence. If someone were to believe 100% that God does not exist, they are either naive or dumb at best, and evil at worst.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why was one of the first acts of communists in Russia and China to close the churches down, and to ban religions?


I don't know, do you?

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Are all atheist communist? No, but were the founders of communism, and Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Che all atheists? You bet they were!


okay, i still don't get how atheism causes communism (if thats even what you guys are going for)


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The problem with Atheists is that they paint all religions under the same brush.

I can't speak for all atheists, but I at least recognize the differences between religions. Some are benign and those I have no problem with. Radical Islam causes big problems. Christianity/Catholicism in North America causes much smaller problems. I get the difference.

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Atheism is a major problem on why the Western Christian culture has become so diluted.

can you explain this I don't understand

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They deny historical truths on the fact that Jesus was a real person, they believe the bible is full of lies, yet even historians use it as a reference because it is such a high quality historical guide.


Again, I can't speak for all atheists, but I don't know if Jesus was a real person or not, and I'm not a history expert so I wouldn't pretend to know. Also, using the bible as a historical guide may or may not be useful, I'm not a historian, I don't know.

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It is not people who believe in God who are making a leap of faith, because there is MORE evidence of the existence of God than there is of his non-existence.


more evidence? obviously certain people (me) don't see it that way. I don't want to start a crusade or anything but can you give me like a top 2 or 3 pieces of evidence?

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If someone were to believe 100% that God does not exist, they are either naive or dumb at best, and evil at worst.


Atheism isn't certainty that there is no god. Atheism is a lack of belief in a god.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BHundo wrote:
I really don't understand how atheism caused communism (if thats what you are saying, I don't know). .


Atheism did not cause communism, but atheism is a core principle of communism.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Atheism did not cause communism, but atheism is a core principle of communism.


core principle? that's a bit confusing still

does that mean you have to be atheist to be communist, or you have to be communist to be atheist?

I still don't get it. I have been atheist for a while, I have lots of atheist friends. The only difference I can see between the atheists and the religious are that one group believes some stuff and the other doesn't. I don't understand the connection to politics.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quotes from Lenin:

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Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism.


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Religion is the opium of the people: this saying of Marx is the cornerstone of the entire ideology of Marxism about religion. All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organizations are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class.



You can read up on the relationship between communism and atheism here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.....d_religion
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism. - Lenin


Okay... Bear with me I'm a little slow.

So Lenin thought that you had to make the people atheists for socialism to work?

Is that it? Did I get it?

So if atheism is a requirement of socialism (according to you and Lenin), does that mean that atheism leads to socialism? or marxism? or anything negative whatsoever?

That's the money question: Does atheism actually cause people to do anything negative, politics or otherwise?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been many sources for the existence of God. The bible gives countless of stories of this, from Moses to Isaac, to David and Cyrus. Cyrus, Darius I and II who were Persian kings were all blessed by God and had interactions with God.

The existence of Jesus Christ as a real person, and the bible able to pin-point the time Jesus was on this earth through other historically reliable sources, such as Jesus birth during the reign of Herod the Great to his crucifixion with Pontius Pilate as governor.

Also in the New Testament, they are able to trace Jesus genealogy and family history, which included REAL people.
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