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kwlafayette





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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:07 am    Post subject: What is the Libertarian party up to? Reply with quote

I want to know. Are there fundraisers I could be attending? Is Kevin Stricker planning on running again? Is their leader building a national profile? Anybody have any news?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:53 pm    Post subject: Re: What is the Libertarian party up to? Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
I want to know. Are there fundraisers I could be attending? Is Kevin Stricker planning on running again? Is their leader building a national profile? Anybody have any news?


This something I'd be interested in as well. It seems that when Reform came around most Libertarians moved to that party and many followed the moves to the Alliance and then CPC. Unfortunately it now seems like the Green Party gets many of those supporters that aren't with the CPC due to some of their economic polices and the protest vote. The Libertarians are the best protest party because they want the least government. An influx of CPC members would ensure the conservative tinge to the party and provide a moderating influence.

Here in Ontario, the Libertarian Party members seem to be putting some effort into it with info booths and pub nights starting to spring up in a few cities. Of course there's no public funding and a small donor base so I'll bet any help would be appreciated. Even if only to knock the Green party down and replace them in Canadian politics with the Libertarian Party.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Libertarian Party seems to have it's good points and it's bad points. I'm not sure that running the leader against Harper in Calgary - Southwest was such a good idea. Dennis Young was a fantastic candidate that would have been better off in a suburban riding not held by the Prime Minister, IMO.

Locally, those of us on the CPCs team were fairly impressed with the Libertarian candidate - most of us agreed that we would have voted Libertarian if we couldn't vote Conservative. That said, she had some major issues with her record of drug trafficking (marijuana). She didn't campaign on drug reform at all, but I'm sure it cost her a few hundred votes.

Policy wise, I'm a fan of much of what they have to say, but I have serious problems with their thoughts on foreign policy and defense. Then again, that's an area where I tend to disagree with most libertarians anyways.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Libertarians always seem to get stuck on the tiny tangenty details... things like opposing seatbelt laws, motorcycle helmet laws, etc... and end up doing a poor job of selling the principles and concepts. I agree such laws are a waste of time and energy but focusing on such petty details causes the Libertarians to marginalize themselves by appearing to be babbling fools.

The only place where a babbling fool can get elected is Toronto and Jumping Jack Layton already has that seat.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF_Canuck wrote:

Policy wise, I'm a fan of much of what they have to say, but I have serious problems with their thoughts on foreign policy and defense. Then again, that's an area where I tend to disagree with most libertarians anyways.


That's a fair difference of opinion between Libertarians and Conservatives so why hand over the conservative voters that are more isolationist to the Liberals, NDP, and Greens. If they don't quite fit into the CPC, there should be a better option than that. There's alot of people that dislike socialism and nation building foriegn wars but have no home politically and either stay home or vote Green.


Mac wrote:
The Libertarians always seem to get stuck on the tiny tangenty details... things like opposing seatbelt laws, motorcycle helmet laws, etc... and end up doing a poor job of selling the principles and concepts. I agree such laws are a waste of time and energy but focusing on such petty details causes the Libertarians to marginalize themselves by appearing to be babbling fools.

The only place where a babbling fool can get elected is Toronto and Jumping Jack Layton already has that seat.

-Mac



That's true but unfortunate since freedom is actually very popular yet none of the major party seems to be offering it. Many disaffected conservatives and former reformers fit well with the libertarians and not only would they be the moderating influence that libertarians sometimes need but could win support where the CPC can't. If the Libertarian Party could get could get their message out better and build more organizational structure, they would have more of a shot at winning a seat than the Green Party would. Andre Arthur won his seat twice as a self described libertarian independent in Quebec of all places so it is possible.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DixieCanuck wrote:
That's true but unfortunate since freedom is actually very popular yet none of the major party seems to be offering it. Many disaffected conservatives and former reformers fit well with the libertarians and not only would they be the moderating influence that libertarians sometimes need but could win support where the CPC can't. If the Libertarian Party could get could get their message out better and build more organizational structure, they would have more of a shot at winning a seat than the Green Party would. Andre Arthur won his seat twice as a self described libertarian independent in Quebec of all places so it is possible.

Agreed. Maybe I should look up the local Libertarian candidate and see if there's anything there...

-Mac
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tried to sign up for their forums, at the official party website. Let us just say, they are not the most organized or focused bunch over there.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are they up to?

Same thing since the mid-80's; railing on about the greatest threat to our freedom: seatbelt laws.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
Tried to sign up for their forums, at the official party website. Let us just say, they are not the most organized or focused bunch over there.


Perhaps their software was able to determine that you are not a Libertarian.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Blue wrote:
What are they up to?

Same thing since the mid-80's; railing on about the greatest threat to our freedom: seatbelt laws.
Yeah, browsing around their website, and the such, it really seems they are not that concerned about making electoral gains. They pick the wrong issue, don't have strong or well known candidates. A lot like the marijuana party, except they are sober and are not brain damaged.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all seriousness, their leader, Jean Serge Brisson, lives not far from me and he's currently doing a good job fighting a bylaw making it mandatory for businesses to have bilingual signs.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Blue wrote:
In all seriousness, their leader, Jean Serge Brisson, lives not far from me and he's currently doing a good job fighting a bylaw making it mandatory for businesses to have bilingual signs.

Dennis Young is currently the leader of the Libertarian Party of Canada. As an aside, I got the chance to meet him the other day and was very impressed. He said the biggest challenge they had in the last campaign was the media's total focus on their marihuana policy, which made it hard for them to get out the rest of their issues. He also mentioned that there are some problems with their website at the moment, but they are working to resolve it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah ok. Last I saw it was still Brisson. How long has this new guy been around?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lib support decriminalizing all drugs. Just let people do whatever they want as long as they aren't hurting anybody else. Sorry but that is absurd.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Blue wrote:
Ah ok. Last I saw it was still Brisson. How long has this new guy been around?

According to Wikipedia, since May 18, 2008.

-Mac
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