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fiscalconservative





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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrisreid wrote:
The Conservative caucus shouldn't be trying to defend the CBC, they should be proud if someone accuses them of being "hostile" to the CBC..

Does the caucus even see how they are being pushed around by the left and being made to look like fools? Everytime the Liberals and NDP accuse them of being right-wing, the CPC goes all out to show that they aren't right wing. The left gets what they want, with even a conservative party in power, and small-c conservatives still get left with nothing.


The Liberals accuse them of being hostile because it works. If you want to fight the CBC, just make them fufill their mandate - play only 100% Canadian content. You don't have to cut their budget, advertisers will do it for them. All the while your promoting Canadian culture.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiscalconservative wrote:

The Liberals accuse them of being hostile because it works. If you want to fight the CBC, just make them fufill their mandate - play only 100% Canadian content. You don't have to cut their budget, advertisers will do it for them. All the while your promoting Canadian culture.[/quote]

I'm not too sure how it "works"..it only works, because the caucus bows to the Liberal establishment, thinking it can win over the media.
Just who decided what is "Canadian content" fiscal conservative? Bureaucrats?
How about allowing Canadians to choose what they want in a free market place? How about supporting FISCAL CONSERVATISM and ditching a $1 billion bureaucracy, which few Canadian's watch except for hockey. I am sure the private sector could deliver superb hockey broadcasts for much less than $1 billion.

The top 20 television shows ranked according to viewership in 2008/2009:
1. GREYS ANATOMY (CTV) 2,424,000
2. AMERICAN IDOL PERFORMANCE (CTV) 2,240,000
3. AMERICAN IDOL RESULTS (CTV) 2,186,000
4. CRIMINAL MINDS (CTV) 2,072,000
5. HOUSE (Global) 2,001,000
6. CSI (CTV) 1,996,000
7. SURVIVOR: GABON/TOCANTINS (Global) 1,906,000
8. DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES (CTV) 1,897,000
9. CSI: NEW YORK (CTV) 1,895,000
10. THE AMAZING RACE 13/14 (CTV) 1,892,000
11. ER (CTV) 1,857,000
12. CSI: MIAMI (CTV) 1,810,000
13. TWO AND A HALF MEN (CTV) 1,509,000
14. SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DANCE CANADA PERF. (CTV) 1,396,000
15. LAW & ORDER: SVU (CTV) 1,366,000
16. NCIS (Global) 1,318,000
17. CTV EVENING NEWS (CTV) 1,315,000
18. FLASHPOINT (CTV) 1,297,000
19. FRINGE (CTV) 1,291,000
20. 24 (Global) 1,266,000

Oops, don't see any Canadian shows broadcast by the CBC on there. How much do you think some kind of law enforcing the CBC to broadcast 100% would change that reality? The people who subsidize the CBC are the people who don't watch it, it's also OTHER corporations that the CBC competes with for advertising dollars. What kind of sick system is that to be forced to give money over to your competition? That's not FISCAL CONSERVATISM...that's socialism.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shouldn't the headline read, "CBC hostile to Tories', in anycase at least they are changing the programing to fit a more Conservative audience:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe im just really tired - but that video pissed me off...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DavidK,

Here a video that will piss you off. I just found it today, and its another reason why I stopped watching Air Farce in its last years:

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Despite the time stamp, its mid-morning here in Scotland.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DavidK wrote:
maybe im just really tired - but that video pissed me off...


Just be grateful you only have to fight to kill off one taxpayer funded, state-owned broadcaster. Here in Australia, Liberals (Australian Liberals) need to fight to try to get rid of two - the ABC and SBS.

But CBC is good for some comedy of the non air-farce kind. For example:
- CBC news will refer to Iranian television as "state-run", but refers to itself as a "public broadcaster. I find that funny because the left think there is a difference.
- I find it hilarious that a state-run television channel like the CBC could have a "business" section of their newscast, as if they would know anything about business and free enterprise.
- Or the hilariously funny idea of calling the CBC a "corporation". Corporations only exist in the private sector where a company produces a product that people want, not what bureaucrats want.

See their is good humour that conservatives can enjoy from the CBC! Just not the kind of state-sanctioned politically correct humour the CBC would like.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't watched or listened to the CBC in years. Seriously. Couldn't stand it anymore, was bad for my heart. But they are probably quite happy if less conservatives tune in: they feel even more free to ride it on the left side for their like-minded.

Oh well.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im not one for state run media, really. But in the strict economic sense, we have it, so maybe they should be nicer to the Conservative Government? From what I heard, they loved Mulroney! Why was that, because he was amazingly wonderful? How about he had the biggest majority in the history of Canada! If he was smart, hed have cut them off at the knees. I think the tune would change if the CPC got a majority though. The CBC would be breaking their back to suck up.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:04 pm    Post subject: millions are anti CBC Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
Hasdrubal wrote:
Who care about 100,00 signitures? Surely it does make the news because it's a bunch of proponents, but wait how many people have signed the anti CBC petition? I guess we will only hear crickets in the background.

Yes, but "dog bites man" isn't a newsworthy story... and apparently "No-one really likes the CBC" isn't either.

-Mac
I heard that millions voted to abolish the CBC...Don't know where i heard it,but it seems like a fair statement to me.Must have been on a Liberal blog.
:)
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    PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: millions are anti CBC Reply with quote

    bert wrote:
    I heard that millions voted to abolish the CBC...Don't know where i heard it,but it seems like a fair statement to me.Must have been on a Liberal blog.
    :)

    Now there's a referendum I could get behind!!

    -Mac
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    PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    chrisreid wrote:
    fiscalconservative wrote:

    The Liberals accuse them of being hostile because it works. If you want to fight the CBC, just make them fufill their mandate - play only 100% Canadian content. You don't have to cut their budget, advertisers will do it for them. All the while your promoting Canadian culture.


    I'm not too sure how it "works"..it only works, because the caucus bows to the Liberal establishment, thinking it can win over the media.
    Just who decided what is "Canadian content" fiscal conservative? Bureaucrats?
    How about allowing Canadians to choose what they want in a free market place? How about supporting FISCAL CONSERVATISM and ditching a $1 billion bureaucracy, which few Canadian's watch except for hockey. I am sure the private sector could deliver superb hockey broadcasts for much less than $1 billion.

    The top 20 television shows ranked according to viewership in 2008/2009:
    1. GREYS ANATOMY (CTV) 2,424,000
    2. AMERICAN IDOL PERFORMANCE (CTV) 2,240,000
    3. AMERICAN IDOL RESULTS (CTV) 2,186,000
    4. CRIMINAL MINDS (CTV) 2,072,000
    5. HOUSE (Global) 2,001,000
    6. CSI (CTV) 1,996,000
    7. SURVIVOR: GABON/TOCANTINS (Global) 1,906,000
    8. DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES (CTV) 1,897,000
    9. CSI: NEW YORK (CTV) 1,895,000
    10. THE AMAZING RACE 13/14 (CTV) 1,892,000
    11. ER (CTV) 1,857,000
    12. CSI: MIAMI (CTV) 1,810,000
    13. TWO AND A HALF MEN (CTV) 1,509,000
    14. SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DANCE CANADA PERF. (CTV) 1,396,000
    15. LAW & ORDER: SVU (CTV) 1,366,000
    16. NCIS (Global) 1,318,000
    17. CTV EVENING NEWS (CTV) 1,315,000
    18. FLASHPOINT (CTV) 1,297,000
    19. FRINGE (CTV) 1,291,000
    20. 24 (Global) 1,266,000



    Okay, I guess that exposes the fact that its been a long time since I have watched the CBC. Back when I did they had some popular American shows that they used to link into their news and political stuff.

    The point I was trying to make, which I did not make very well was that you could snuff out the CBC without facing the prospect being portrayed as some knuckle dragging neanderthal by making it live up to its mandate.
    There is no reason in the world that we need to have a public broadcaster outbidding an private one for the same US show and then lose money showing it.
    The CBC should be sold for part, but I don't want to ose an election on that issue. You would be portrayed as sacking a Canadian institution yada yada yada.
    On the other hand forcing them to play Canadian shows instead of importing American ones would hurt their bottom line and reduce their ability to intefer with private broadcasters. (Although you may be right, maybe they don't play that much popular US stuff anymore).

    In short, I would like to see them in the hands of private enterprise for many of the reasons you mentioned. My comment was based on the theory "but if you can't do that this is the next best thing".

    Personally, I think we shoud ditch all the crown corporations. Well, maybe keep a rump of a post office that subcontracts mail deliverty the highest bidder like they do with rural routes, but thats about it.
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    PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Alan A. wrote:
    I haven't watched or listened to the CBC in years. Seriously. Couldn't stand it anymore, was bad for my heart. But they are probably quite happy if less conservatives tune in: they feel even more free to ride it on the left side for their like-minded.


    I think the best thing for Canadian broadcasting would be:

    1) Ford of Canada getting into financial trouble
    . ---- Ford is one of the main advertisers for the CBC's only truly successful show. If you want to hurt the CBC write Ford and tell them you have no intention of ever buying a Ford as long as they advertise with the CBC.

    Ford is desperate and there will never be a better time to kick a CBC advertiser in the nuts then now.


    2) CBC dumping the Hockey Nite I. C. show theme. That pissed off many viewers who grew up with it. Just another small reason to choose TSN over CBC on saturday night.

    3) WiFi, the CBC is the mainstay for communications for many northern communities. --- not for long. ---- buh bye.
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    PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    fiscalconservative wrote:

    Okay, I guess that exposes the fact that its been a long time since I have watched the CBC. Back when I did they had some popular American shows that they used to link into their news and political stuff.

    The point I was trying to make, which I did not make very well was that you could snuff out the CBC without facing the prospect being portrayed as some knuckle dragging neanderthal by making it live up to its mandate.
    There is no reason in the world that we need to have a public broadcaster outbidding an private one for the same US show and then lose money showing it.
    The CBC should be sold for part, but I don't want to ose an election on that issue. You would be portrayed as sacking a Canadian institution yada yada yada.
    On the other hand forcing them to play Canadian shows instead of importing American ones would hurt their bottom line and reduce their ability to intefer with private broadcasters. (Although you may be right, maybe they don't play that much popular US stuff anymore).

    In short, I would like to see them in the hands of private enterprise for many of the reasons you mentioned. My comment was based on the theory "but if you can't do that this is the next best thing".

    Personally, I think we shoud ditch all the crown corporations. Well, maybe keep a rump of a post office that subcontracts mail deliverty the highest bidder like they do with rural routes, but thats about it.


    I would want to see an election on that issue! I would mail in ballot from overseas here if that was the case! I think the issue is we need to stop allowing Liberals to define the terms of debate, ie. that governments dictate or "promote" Canadian culture. Governments don't promote Canadian culture, they promote interest groups that they agree with. Culture is different for each Canadian. Hockey might be a cultural thing to one Canadian, but another might not consider it "Canadian" but would consider a painting using dog feces as paint a symbol of high Canadian art. The point is the hockey lover shouldn't be forced to financially support a dog feces painting, and the feces lover shouldn't be forced to financially support hockey promotion.
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