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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely TorontoCon. It is about a mob mentality. Sure - when you only comprise 2% of the population you are demure and muted. But when the numbers get large enough the tide turns and a mod mentality sets in. As I have said many times, the vast majority of Germans were good people. It only takes one charismatic evil leader to mislead the masses. There are MANY parallels between Nazism and Islam. Is it any wonder that Hitler loved Islam.
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the H-bomb! run! :lol:

Is Islam destroying Greek society? imho not by a bit. Greeks are fiercely nationalistic, priests are public employees and receive a state wage, Orthodox Christianity is absolutely everywhere and is prominently displayed by both the public and government. Every church flies the Greek flag and the main political parties still bicker about the same things.

Business as usual.
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
There are MANY parallels between Nazism and Islam. Is it any wonder that Hitler loved Islam.


There are also MANY parallels between Nazism and social conservatism. Is it any wonder that Hitler loved social conservatism.
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SmartCon wrote:
Craig wrote:
There are MANY parallels between Nazism and Islam. Is it any wonder that Hitler loved Islam.


There are also MANY parallels between Nazism and social conservatism. Is it any wonder that Hitler loved social conservatism.


When the Nazis came to power in 1933 one of the first acts Hitler did was to legalize abortion. He outlawed gun ownership. Hitler was the furthest thing from a social conservative.

I think you are confusing fascism with social conservatism.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
SmartCon wrote:
Craig wrote:
There are MANY parallels between Nazism and Islam. Is it any wonder that Hitler loved Islam.


There are also MANY parallels between Nazism and social conservatism. Is it any wonder that Hitler loved social conservatism.


When the Nazis came to power in 1933 one of the first acts Hitler did was to legalize abortion. He outlawed gun ownership. Hitler was the furthest thing from a social conservative.

I think you are confusing fascism with social conservatism.


Hitler did not legalize abortion, that's incorrect. He did ban guns. He did not want people to have guns as they could overthrow the government.

Muslims and social conservatives have much in common though. They are both anti-pro-choice, anti-gay and usually follow the teachings of a religious text.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SmartCon wrote:
Hitler did not legalize abortion, that's incorrect.


I beg to differ...

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When the Nazis came to power in 1933 one of the first acts Hitler did was to legalize abortion. By 1935 Germany with 65 million people was the place where over 500,000 abortions were being performed each year. Although Hitler and his government encourged Aryan women to produce a lot of children, he left the matter of abortion and all its facets in the hands of a decidely pro- abortion medical establishment. Even in the midst of Nazi propaganda aimed at increasing the Aryan population, scores of Aryan women still chose to abort their unborn children. The medical publication Deutsches Aerzleblatt reported the abortions in Germany each year reached a half-million.

Further, a Nazi decree of October 19, 1941 established abortion on demand as the official policy of Poland. Hitler, however, expressed dissatisfaction with this policy. Abortion, he believed, should NOT be limited to Poland. He therefore ordered that abortion be expanded to all populations under the control of the "Ministry of the Occupied Territories of the East."

On July 22, 1942, the Fuhrer exhibited a highly positive attitude towards abortion as an indispensable method of dealing with the non-German populations in countries under Nazi control. "In view of the large families of the native populations," he asserted, "it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible." Hitler also personally announced that he "would personally shoot" any "such idiot" who "tried to put into practice such an order (forbidding abortion) in the occupied Eastern territories.

Despite contemporary attempts to characterize Hitler as opposed to abortion, the historical evidence clearly and overwhelmingly supports only one possible conclusion: Hitler and his regime were adamantly pro-abortion. To depict Hitler as anti-abortion is a ludicrous as calling him anti-genocide or pro- Jewish. Both Hitler and his government had little regard for human life perceived as subpar, whether born or preborn.


Doesn't sound like any social conservatives that I know.

http://constitutionalistnc.tri...../id15.html

In case you don't like that source...

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When the Nazis entered Poland (a Roman Catholic country) in 1939 abortion for any reason was illegal. The use of contraceptives was also illegal in Poland (because the Roman Catholic Church was opposed to abortion and to contraception as well). The Nazis conquered half the country (the other half went to the Russians), and they immediately did away with the anti-abortion laws. Hitler wanted to limit and reduce all non-Aryan populations. In late 1939 a decree was issued encouraging Polish women to seek abortions. The campaign was called "Auswahlfeiheit" ("Freedom of Choice").

Martin Bormann, the Head of the Nazi Party and personal secretary to Adolf Hitler, wrote the following letter to Alfred Rosenberg; the Nazi Party ideologist:

"The Slavs are to work for us. Insofar as we don't need them they may die. Therefore compulsory vaccination and education are superfluous. The fertility of Slavs is undesirable." (NCA II. Office of the United States Chief of Counsel for Prosecution of Axis Criminality. Nazi Conspiracy and Agression, Volume II. 1946)
Hitler himself said:

They may use contraceptives or practice abortion--the more the better. In view of the large families of the native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. Active trade in contraceptives ought to be actually encouraged in the Eastern territories, as we could not possibly have the slightest interest in increasing the non-Germanic population." (Harvest of Hate, 1954, pp. 273-4 emphasis added)
Bormann personally wrote:

"When girls and women in the Occupied Territories of the East have abortions, we can only be in favor of it; in any case we should not oppose it. The Fuhrer belives that we should authorize the development in a thriving trade in contraceptives. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply." (ibid, p.274)
On November 25 1939, the Reich Commission for the Strengthening of Germandom (RKFDV), an SS organization, issued this following decree in Poland:


"All measures which have the tendency to limit the births are to be tolerated or to be supported. Abortion in the remaining area of Poland must be declared free from punishment. the means for abortion and contraceptive means may be offered publicly without police restriction. Homosexuality [which was illegal under Polish law] is to be declared legal. The institutions and persons involved professionally in abortion practices are not to be interfered with by police." (Secret Nazi Plans for Eastern Europe, 1961, p.171)
The same pro-abortion order was established in all the territories that the Nazis occupied except where the population was considered "Aryan" (Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Flemish Belguim). On 27 April 1943 Prof. Erhard Wetzel, Racial Administrator for the Reich's Eastern Territories Ministry, wrote this memorandum:

"Every propaganda means, especially the press, radio, and movies, as well as pamphlets, booklets, and lectures, must be used to instill in the Russian population the idea that it is harmful to have several children. We must emphazise the expenses that children cause, the good things that people could have had with the money spent on them. We could also hint at the dangerous effect of child-bearing on a woman's health. Paralleling such propaganda, a large-scale campaign would be launched in favor of contraceptive devices. A contraceptive industry must be established. Neither the circulation and sale of contraceptives nor abortions must be prosecuted. It will even be necessary to open special institutions for abortion, and to train midwives and nurses for this purpose. The population will practice abortion all the more willingly if these institutions are competently operated." (Harvest of Hate, pp.272-3)


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