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RCO





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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:42 am    Post subject: Andrea Horwath wins ontario ndp leadership Reply with quote

Horwath takes helm of Ont. NDP

By Romina Maurino, THE CANADIAN PRESS


Andrea Horwath is shown with NDP leader Jack Layton in this Canadian Press file photo. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Andrew Vaughan

HAMILTON - Andrea Horwath took the helm of the Ontario New Democrats Saturday, becoming the first woman to lead the provincial party and she promised to hold the government to account when it comes to job losses.

"First order of business is holding Dalton McGuinty to account in question period on Monday," an overjoyed Horwath said following her acceptance speech.

"It's going to be an excellent opportunity for us to grow our party, so other than doing that work at Queen's Park I'll be working with our riding associations and I'll be working with Ontarians to try to make some positive change in this province."

She beat out three other caucus members to end the third round of voting with 60.4 per cent of the vote.

Her closest rival was Peter Tabuns, a former Greenpeace director considered the establishment candidate, who reaped 39.6 per cent support.

Ontario Federation of Labour president Wayne Samuelson, who endorsed Horwath early on, said she demonstrated from the start that she was the right person to tackle the province's problems.


"She's got an incredible energy, she brings to this party a sense of direction," Samuelson said.

"The delegates of this convention have seen the kind of leader, have seen the potential."

Horwath said she looks forward to working with the same caucus as outgoing leader Howard Hampton has. However she acknowledged the party must be reinvigorated so it can grow from its 10 seats in the legislature and stand a chance to win the 2011 election.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think she will present a tremendous challenge to the mcguinty liberals of the left and with women voters , she has appeal , well i don't think the ontario ndp can form a government , they could gain alot of votes and hurt the liberals in many ridings . looks like provincial politics in ontario is finally geting interesting again .
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally don't know much about her but I think you're right RCO. McGuinty is going to be old hat going into the 2011 election. He'll have been around as leader for 12 years while the OPC and ONDP have new leaders.

I don't get the NDP's love affair with socialized driving insurance. Absolutely no personal responsibility for those who cause accidents. They get all their stuff covered by the taxpayer.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't get the NDP's love affair with socialized driving insurance. Absolutely no personal responsibility for those who cause accidents. They get all their stuff covered by the taxpayer.


I don't get why the ndp think razing corporate tax rates is going to stimulate job creation.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rusty Bedsprings wrote:
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I don't get the NDP's love affair with socialized driving insurance. Absolutely no personal responsibility for those who cause accidents. They get all their stuff covered by the taxpayer.


I don't get why the ndp think razing corporate tax rates is going to stimulate job creation.


yeah i don't think much of the ndp's policy makes sense at all . maybe thats the way it always has been .

but i do think that on the left she will present a real challenge for mcguinty to deal with
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked Howard Hampton,
Don't get me wrong I would have never voted for the guy but he had personality and he was a likable leader.

The reality is that as long as Bob Rae resides in the minds of Ontario voters the NDP Provincially is unelectable.

With that said, the NDP has also enjoyed a free pass on the left. The Liberals have focused on the center, and the PC's have certainly not gone that far left to challenge the NDP for left of center votes, yet they still flounder. What should worry them is that the Greens basically picked up half the support the NDP did in 2007 in the first real challenge to the left in a long time (8% to the NDP's 16%)

Andrea Horwath was an interesting option of a pallet of uninteresting options. I would imagine her connection to women is something the NDP feels it can benefit from however I think opting for a leader not from Toronto was a HUGE mistake.

The Liberals control 18 of 22 seats in Toronto, and realistically the NDP needs growth within Toronto if it wants to improve on its 10 seat finish in 2007, and I don't see much for the Liberals to be concerning themselves with.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I liked Howard Hampton,
Don't get me wrong I would have never voted for the guy but he had personality and he was a likable leader.


same here, he was not holier than thou like most ndpers.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rusty Bedsprings wrote:
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I liked Howard Hampton,
Don't get me wrong I would have never voted for the guy but he had personality and he was a likable leader.


same here, he was not holier than thou like most ndpers.


The trouble for the NDP is that Howie was the right leader, and in some cases when faced with the Eves/Dalton option one of the most likable leaders which Ontario simply could not bring themselves to vote for because of the sins of NDP's past.

The results under Howie were 9 seats, 7 seats, and 10 seats.

The worst part was the 10 were after five new seats were added to Parliament. It just seems like the NDP is unelectable.

I am just not sure what Andrea Horwath can do that Howie has not already done? Perhaps a merger with the Greens? Make Environmentalism "their" issues?

Regardless its a shame to see Howie go, and hopefully Ms. Horwath can work to keep the Liberals accountable.
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Regardless its a shame to see Howie go, and hopefully Ms. Horwath can work to keep the Liberals accountable.


Not likely, this is the ndp we're talking about, right?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Regardless its a shame to see Howie go, and hopefully Ms. Horwath can work to keep the Liberals accountable.


Not likely, this is the ndp we're talking about, right?


I'm with Rusty here. The NDP will always be socialists and the worst party to govern Ontario.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I find surprising about the NDP is that they do very poorly in Ontario but in a lot of other provinces (BC, SK, MB, NS, etc.) they do much better. I don't like the liberals but they're a hell of a lot better than the NDP.
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What I find surprising about the NDP is that they do very poorly in Ontario but in a lot of other provinces (BC, SK, MB, NS, etc.) they do much better. I don't like the liberals but they're a hell of a lot better than the NDP.


I think bob ray made Ontarians see he ndp for what they are the hard way.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rusty Bedsprings wrote:
I think bob ray made Ontarians see he ndp for what they are the hard way.


Hey Rusty, you from Ontario?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ezbeatz wrote:
What I find surprising about the NDP is that they do very poorly in Ontario but in a lot of other provinces (BC, SK, MB, NS, etc.) they do much better. I don't like the liberals but they're a hell of a lot better than the NDP.


Bob Rae,
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ezbeatz wrote:
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Hey Rusty, you from Ontario?


Yep, GTA.
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