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Do you respect John Tory?
Yes
28%
 28%  [ 6 ]
No
71%
 71%  [ 15 ]
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Cool Blue





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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will he win his by-election?

I figure he'll get around 43%.

I was talking about a general election though.
DavidK





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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I gotta say if that the coming convention will be ... interesting.
eveable





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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am to the point of doing anything to get the Liberals our of power in Ontario. Short of voting NDP, that is. You know who we owe this to? The teachers and the nurses of Ontario. They hated Mike Harris while I loved him.
However, as much as people tell me they like Tory, I don't think he is the leader to get the Cons back into power. Do we have anyone warming up?
ezbeatz





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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eveable wrote:
However, as much as people tell me they like Tory, I don't think he is the leader to get the Cons back into power. Do we have anyone warming up?


There are a number. John Klees (I think that's his name) is probably the best. He's a Harrisite aka true Conservative.
eveable





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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this the guy?

Frank Klees

MPP, Newmarket-Aurora

Constituency Office:
201-14845 Yonge Street. Aurora, ON L4G 6H8

Phone: 905-750-0019 | Fax: 905-750-0050

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Frank Klees is currently MPP for Newmarket and Aurora, and the Official Opposition Critic for Transportation and Public Infrastructure Renewal.
First elected to the Ontario Legislature in June, 1995, to represent the riding of York Mackenzie, Frank was re-elected in June, 1999, for a second term as MPP for the new riding of Oak Ridges, and in October, 2003, for a third term, once again in Oak Ridges.

Frank and his family immigrated to Canada from Germany, when he was 5 years of age, settling in the southwestern Ontario community of Leamington.Although Frank's educational background included studies in theology, he spent the 1970s, '80s and early '90s in business, starting in the financial services business in marketing and management with the Canada Life Assurance Co. in Windsor and Toronto. He later became an entrepreneur, consulting in financial services, starting his own successful sports agency representing professional athletes in the CFL and NFL. In 1990, Frank and two partners co-founded Municipal Gas Corporation, an energy start-up that began "on the back of a paper napkin." He served as the company's Executive Vice President and in 1997 after building it into a major enterprise with 55,000 customers Frank and his partners sold the business.

Frank's commitment to the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party is life-long.

He stood as a candidate in the southwestern Ontario riding of Essex South in 1975 and again in 1977. As the Party's Third Vice President and Policy Chair from 1992-94, Frank created the formal process of Policy Advisory Councils, which empowered grassroots members and supporters by giving them direct input in developing the party platforms such as The Common Sense Revolution and Blueprint. He remains one of the Party's strongest advocates of that process, which he had enshrined in the Party Constitution, and continues to serve as the Caucus Liaison to the P.C. Party's Policy Advisory Committee.

In 1995, Frank successfully contested the riding of York Mackenzie, beginning his first term as a Member of the Ontario Legislature, by defeating former Liberal cabinet minister and leadership candidate, Charles Beer.

Throughout the first mandate of the P.C. government, Frank served as a Parliamentary Assistant and played a key role in several initiatives, including the development of several bills: focusing Conservation Authorities on environmental work, saving millions through self-management of the aggregate industry, and helping to maintain the Great Lakes commercial fishery. He proposed a private members bill requiring health care practitioners to try to consult parents when treating minor children 16 years or younger, and his collision repair reform bill was supported unanimously for Third Reading in the Legislature.

In 1999, as the result of redistricting, Frank sought and won re-election in the new riding of Oak Ridges. He was appointed to Cabinet and served as Chief Government Whip and Deputy House Leader with additional responsibilities as a member of the Management Board of Cabinet and the Board of Internal Economy. His consensus-building ability within caucus facilitated the passage of a number of controversial pieces of legislation. As the member for Oak Ridges, he took a lead role in advocating for, and the drafting of, the "Oak Ridges Moraine Act".

Frank served as the Minister of Tourism and Recreation in the Ernie Eves government from 2002-2003. From the outset in that portfolio, Frank championed the development of a long-range tourism strategy for the province and completed province-wide stakeholder consultations to accomplish that goal. He secured the support needed to realize the legitimate aspirations of Northern Ontario to create a separate tourism marketing model, headquartered in Sault Ste. Marie to support and develop Northern Ontario 's distinct tourism industry.

In early 2003, Frank was appointed Minister of Transportation and assumed responsibility for the implementation of a multi-year, $10-billion highway infrastructure program. On his watch, MTO made major strides in regional transit expansion and funded York Region's innovative new bus rapid transit system. Frank was proud to honour our veterans by initiating and commissioning the "Veterans Licence Plate", now available to all Ontario qualifying veterans. He took pride in being known by MTO stakeholders and staff as "the customer service minister."

Frank believes that our society is strengthened through the province's diverse ethnic, cultural and religious communities. He represents one of the largest, fastest-growing and culturally diverse ridings in Ontario and takes pride in the strong support he has consistently received from all sectors in his riding.

A strong proponent of what he calls "MPP activism," Frank regularly sponsors public information sessions, including seniors' wellness and security forums, blood donor clinics, income tax clinics for low-income seniors and a multi-faith consultation with representatives of dozens of York Region congregations. He has been a tireless defender of funding for successful community groups.

Frank believes that faith and culture are important cornerstones of society and that both must be respected and honoured.

Frank is married to Jaine and has two adult children, Alissa and Robert. He claims a 21 handicap on the golf course, enjoys playing pick-up hockey with his legislative colleagues and skiing when time allows.
chrisreid





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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Tory has been a great fundraiser for the party, and I think he should be congratulated. It's just too bad the same skills didn't translate over to being party leader. He hasn't been good at exciting supporters because he's failed to offer a concrete vision. While I respect him for standing by his faith-based school's idea, it was completely unconservative, and failed to motivate party supporters.

I think Tim Hudak would make an excellent leader. I have seen him on TV. He can easily articulate solutions, and he believes in his solutions, and he's not affraid to articulate conservative solutions.

ezbeatz wrote:
eveable wrote:
However, as much as people tell me they like Tory, I don't think he is the leader to get the Cons back into power. Do we have anyone warming up?


There are a number. John Klees (I think that's his name) is probably the best. He's a Harrisite aka true Conservative.
RCO





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

honestly i think this is somewhat of a silly question asking if we respect john tory or not , as conservatives i don't see why at the very least we wouldn't respect him , even if we prefered other potential leaders instead .

mean john tory is at least trying as he could of just returned to the private sector instead and i think some of his critics fail to realsie what kind of an uphill battle were fighting with the ontario liberals at the moment. it has not been easy as that party is willing to do alot just to hold onto power . and they have solid control of seat rich toronto .

but he has made some mistakes like the london vote and aftermath did not help his case for staying on . and he could of tried to find a seat sooner or maybe shouldn't of set that deadline if he felt back then he wasn't going to find one rate away . but he would of still had a seat had he just stayed in dufferin caledon riding instead of running in toronto . think don valley west was an ok riding for him to run in except for the fact it had a cabinet minister allready . running against a liberal cabinet minister was a really bad idea . as it was just too tough a race to fight .
ezbeatz





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:
honestly i think this is somewhat of a silly question asking if we respect john tory or not , as conservatives i don't see why at the very least we wouldn't respect him , even if we prefered other potential leaders instead .

mean john tory is at least trying as he could of just returned to the private sector instead and i think some of his critics fail to realsie what kind of an uphill battle were fighting with the ontario liberals at the moment. it has not been easy as that party is willing to do alot just to hold onto power . and they have solid control of seat rich toronto .

but he has made some mistakes like the london vote and aftermath did not help his case for staying on . and he could of tried to find a seat sooner or maybe shouldn't of set that deadline if he felt back then he wasn't going to find one rate away . but he would of still had a seat had he just stayed in dufferin caledon riding instead of running in toronto . think don valley west was an ok riding for him to run in except for the fact it had a cabinet minister allready . running against a liberal cabinet minister was a really bad idea . as it was just too tough a race to fight .


So basically you're saying we should cut John Tory some slack because he's totally incompetent?
NorthernRaven





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I suppose we are cheering for Rick Johnson, the Liberal candidate who got 30% of the vote last time. He should be able to build off enough pissed off PC voters.

Plus his background as a public servant and school board trustee should be too bad to support the guy. Either way, I can sense from the blogging community no one wants John Tory for premier.
ezbeatz





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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthernRaven wrote:
So I suppose we are cheering for Rick Johnson, the Liberal candidate who got 30% of the vote last time. He should be able to build off enough pissed off PC voters.

Plus his background as a public servant and school board trustee should be too bad to support the guy. Either way, I can sense from the blogging community no one wants John Tory for premier.


I don't think his own party wants him. Nobody would step down for him for over a year. Laurie Scott only stepped downed because she got a $100,000 severance payout and a 2 years contract with a $150,000 salary. So basically, $400,000.
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