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paisley_cross





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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:11 am    Post subject: Pope attacks blurring of gender Reply with quote

As one of the 95% of the world who is not gay I don't think that I need to be saved "from destruction". However, the social structure in which we have placed homosexuality is anything but settled. Gay marriage, gay adoption and treating homosexuality as "the same" as heterosexuality in the classroom are far from being accepted unanimously.

Given that in two days the Christian world will be celebrating what it considers to be the birth of its savior I would have thought abortion might have been the issue to be emphasized.


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Pope Benedict XVI has said that saving humanity from homosexual or transsexual behaviour is just as important as saving the rainforest from destruction.

He explained that defending God's creation was not limited to saving the environment, but also about protecting man from self-destruction....

Pope and Gays
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Studies show that 98% of the world is not gay.

How come every time a religious leader gives an opinion on an issue it is "An Attack", but if a journalist, scientist, politian or academic speaks hate toward religion nobody cares?

The Pope is entrusted by his flock to speak on moral issues. Deal with it!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A more balanced report of the Pope's comments:

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Media lied about Pope's 'save the gay rainforest' speech

Pope Benedict XVI
Maybe you heard about this yesterday:

VATICAN CITY, Dec. 22 (Reuters) - Pope Benedict said on Monday that saving humanity from homosexual or transsexual behavior was just as important as saving the rainforest from destruction.

Too bad that's not what the Pope said.

Here's an accurate translation of Pope Benedict's entire address:

Since faith in the Creator is an essential part of the Christian Creed, the Church cannot and should not limit itself to transmitting to its faithful only the message of salvation. She has a responsibility for Creation, and it should validate this responsibility in public.

In so doing, it should defend not just the earth, water and air as gifts of Creation that belong to everyone. She should also protect man from destroying himself.

It is necessary to have something like an ecology of man, understood in the right sense. It is not outdated metaphysics when the Church speaks of the nature of the human being as man and woman, and asks that this natural order be respected.

This has to do with faith in the Creator and listening to the language of creation, which, if disregarded, would be man's self-destruction and therefore a destruction of God's work itself.

That which has come to be expressed and understood with the term 'gender' effectively results in man's self-emancipation from Creation (nature) and from the Creator. Man wants to do everything by himself and to decide always and exclusively about anything that concerns him personally. But this is to live against truth, to live against the Spirit Creator.

The tropical rain forests deserve our protection, yes, but man does not deserve it less as a Creature of the Spirit himself, in whom is inscribed a message that does not mean a contradiction of human freedom but its condition.

The great theologians of Scholasticism described matrimony - which is the lifelong bond between a man and a woman - as a sacrament of Creation, that the Creator himself instituted, and that Christ, without changing the message of Creation, welcomed in the story of his alliance with men.

Part of the announcement that the Church should bring to men is a testimonial for the Spirit Creator present in all of nature, but specially in the nature of man, who was created in the image of God.

One must reread the encyclical Humanae vitae with this perspective: the intention of Pope Paul VI was to defend love against consumer sex, the future against the exclusive claim of the moment, and human nature against manipulation.

Note the complete absence of the words "transsexual" and "homosexual" or anything about "saving the world from gays."

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pope belives in his religon and I can respect that. And in true chistianity gays are not allowed (if you think they are just ask the frigin pope, the pope do you know more about christianity than the pope?).


In the western world you can belive in any religon. As long as it is approved by the human rights commition :evil: .
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, lets start with the basics. When you want to discuss what the Pope said, post the actual words that came out of the Pope's mouth. DO NOT post the reporters opinion of what came out of the Pope's mouth.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh.. so did or did not the pope really say the gay stuff or not, I thought he did?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsocko wrote:
Studies show that 98% of the world is not gay.

How come every time a religious leader gives an opinion on an issue it is "An Attack", but if a journalist, scientist, politian or academic speaks hate toward religion nobody cares?

The Pope is entrusted by his flock to speak on moral issues. Deal with it!


I agree.

People need to accept the fact that "homosexual sexual acts are sinful" is mainstream and standard Christian doctrine. It's the Christians who believe that homosexual sexual acts are Ok in the eyes of God that are the exception, not the rule.

Since there's over a billion Christians in the world, and since most of us hold homosexual acts to be sinful, there's naturally going to be hundreds of millions of people (most certainly including Catholic religious leaders) who hold homosexual sexual acts to be sinful.

Liberals need to learn to deal with it. Maybe they should start practicing that "tolerance" that they so love to talk about by tolerating people having sincere differences in moral viewpoints than they do.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Habsrwfan wrote:
Liberals need to learn to deal with it. Maybe they should start practicing that "tolerance" that they so love to talk about by tolerating people having sincere differences in moral viewpoints than they do.


I'm afraid that the liberal concept of tolerance is in fact to condemn those ideas that even veer slightly from their viewpoint. You would think that liberals could embrace Margaret Somerville who is pro-gay to the point of supporting civil unions. But at a speech at that bastion of intolerance Ryerson University she was shunned because she argues against SSM.

It used to be that liberals would fight to the death for your right to express an opinion. Now the only opinion they are willing to fight for is their own.

I am not religious so I don't regard things as "sinful" but as I mentioned in the first post in this thread there are some aspects of gay rights that need debate within society.
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