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eveable





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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Western Climate Initiative Reply with quote

I had not heard of the Western Climate Initiative until a friend alerted me to it. I am posting this to ask the Westerners if they know about it.

The question was asked: As a private citizen, I was wondering what mechanism
> will be used to
> > enforce any cap and trade plan that is devised. Is
> there a law, a memorandum
> > of agreement, or something else that will be used to
> ensure that industries
> > comply with the plan?
> >
> > Thank you.

The answer is: I apologize of the delay in replying to your e-mail and
> don't know if you
> participated in the July 29 Stakeholders Workshop at which
> these legal
> issues were discussed (briefly.)
>
> States and Provinces are creating legislation and adopting
> rules to carry
> out the WCI Program. There is a legal question about a
> memo of agreement
> betwen the Canadian and US Partners since
> "treaties"/agreements between
> nations are usually reserved for the federal governments. A
> legal team is
> looking at these questions.
>
> Hope that helps,
> June Taylor
> WCI Consultant
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting...

-Mac
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got this today. More than western Canada I see.

Hey Eve,

Obama is a smart man. He knows that this is just the kind of thing he can use to drive his socialist, pro-environment agenda. He won't back down easily. The good news on our political front is that Sen. James Inhofe is still going strong on the anti-AGW side. He recently posted a report from 650 skeptic scientists, many who were once with the IPCC. I attached it for you. Hope it goes thru.

Looks like the WCI is more than western Canada. I see BC, Manitoba, Quebec and Ontario on their list.

Here's some fuel for you to fight with. Electrical consumption per capita in the US has risen greatly in recent years. The media, government, industry and power companies are pushing people to use CFLs to reduce electrical consumption and carbon emissions. What they haven't mentioned is that using CFLs won't even put a dent in carbon emissions reduction. The reason is the increase in plasma and other big screen TVs which are total energy hogs. But I guess we can't prohibit people from having their big screens. Bias abounds.

Have a great year! I hope you don't mind but I hope this is a really stinking cold winter.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eveable wrote:
I hope you don't mind but I hope this is a really stinking cold winter.

So far, that's exactly what it's been...

-Mac
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wondered at the list of provinces included in the Western Climate Initiative. They are not all Western Provinces. And where are Alberta and Sask?

Ahhh, BC, Ontario and Quebec have Liberal provincial governments and we know how the Liberals love this taxation to save the planet idea. Manitoba is NDP and they love it even more.

They should rename this to the "Taxation to save the Planet" Climate Initiative (we don't care where you are).

I have a letter from John Gerretsen, Ontario's Minister of the Environment telling me about the IPCC and their 2500 scientists and the fact that Climate Change has undergone a higher level of scrutiny than any other scientific issue and the conclusion is that Co2 emissions are warming the planet.

If he truly believes that he can't read nor does he go outside and should not be in public office.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eveable wrote:
I wondered at the list of provinces included in the Western Climate Initiative. They are not all Western Provinces. And where are Alberta and Sask?

Perhaps Western refers to Western Nations rather than provinces?

-Mac
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was supposed to be western states and provinces. The guy who sent it to me is from Arizona and Arizona is included in the western states climate initiative. They are grasping at straws to include Ontario and Quebec.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eveable wrote:
They are grasping at straws to include Ontario and Quebec.

No kidding.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For reference, the official WCI website is here: LINK
FAQ (PDF)

Saskatchewan apparently has 'Observer' status, as do several North Mexican states, as well as Alaska and 5 other US states. Participation is necessarily voluntary, at the governmental level anyways ... consumers and industry are still going to get screwed by it.

It looks like participating jurisdictions will require emissions reporting from all power suppliers, even importers in non-participating jurisdictions - ie. if an Albertan plant is selling power to say, BC or Montana, then that plant must participate in the cap-and-trade scheme. Hopefully 100% of the costs will be passed on to the WCI partners, and not spread around to all of us...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, who are these guys and how do we tell them to get lost.
Do you mean to tell me that my elected MPP's who are taking my tax money are going to these meetings. How do I fire them?

I am sorry to get nasty but I am so sick of this global warming shit. And I am tired of the cold. Each winter is a little colder. This year we didn't get a spring and summer which makes this winter harder.

How do I put a huge new flash across the planet "No worries about global warming.The planet is cooling."

I write to my MP and my MPP. I am starting to feel that all I do is in vain because there will be another scheme coming and I can't keep track of them all.

Do they really want to beat us down until we lie in the snow and die?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every new story, every where I look, there it is...the warming planet. Do these news reporters not think?

Quote:
Overpriced inventories, protectionist trade barriers, the credit crunch and a warming planet are likely to continue standing in the way of getting the food staple to the more than 3 billion people who rely on it for basic nutrition.


If the world was truly warming, rice would grow better, rising Co2 levels will help all vegetation frow better. The real problem is cold. It was cold last winter and this spring in china and their crops did not grow. Add in the food burned for biofuel and you have a world wide food crises. It is cold again this winter and will be this spring and we are still burning food for biofuel. I guess the food crises will continue.

BUT NOT ONE MADE BECAUSE THE CLIMATE IS WARMING! [/quote]
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