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Rusty Bedsprings





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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:10 pm    Post subject: 36 years too much? Reply with quote

The concervatives have been in power (in alberta) for what... over 36 years now. I think any party should be throwen out every 12 years or so to provide a house cleaning of sorts.
mrsocko





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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would throw out a right wing party that has created the richest province in Canada with the lowest tax rate in the country and replace it with leftwing parties that would destroy the economy with misguided attempts to save the world thru global warming emission controls and other left wing pie in the sky interventionists scemes.

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!! :P
SFrank85





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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would tend to agree that leaders should not stick around forever, but if political parties keep getting elected, then they must be doing something right or the opposition is doing something horrible.

The Ontario PC’s were in office for 43 years in a row.
kwlafayette





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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We should bring in term limits for everyone, premiers, mayors, reeves, aldermen, MLAs, MPs, the PM, senators, everyone. No one should be allowed to be in government for more than 10 years. Power will corrupt anybody, given enough time.
Rusty Bedsprings





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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya if I'm a tory in alberta right now I'd be praying that they get removed before they create there own sponcership scandal (or something like that) because they got to comfy.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutly" or something like that.
John Larocque





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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: 36 years too much? Reply with quote

Rusty Bedsprings wrote:
The concervatives have been in power (in alberta) for what... over 36 years now. I think any party should be throwen out every 12 years or so to provide a house cleaning of sorts.


Alberta has been a one-party state for about a century. The Progressive Conservatives there have not yet lost the mandate of heaven, but when they do, the next natural governing party there can run things for a generation and a half.

Before the PC's there were the Socreds, and before the Socreds there were the United Farmers, and before the United Farmers there was the Liberal Party of Alberta.
FF_Canuck





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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
We should bring in term limits for everyone, premiers, mayors, reeves, aldermen, MLAs, MPs, the PM, senators, everyone. No one should be allowed to be in government for more than 10 years. Power will corrupt anybody, given enough time.


Yes, this would be better for all involved, I think. The only problem, and it's not an intractable one, is that this has the effect of increasing reliance on un-elected civil servants, they being the only constants in government.

John Larocque wrote:
Alberta has been a one-party state for about a century. The Progressive Conservatives there have not yet lost the mandate of heaven, but when they do, the next natural governing party there can run things for a generation and a half.


Pretty much. The ball is in Stelmach's court. He'd been spending too much and every one knows it, but it was tolerable due to record oil prices, and a lack of alternatives. This term could doom the PCs unless Stelmach can reign in program spending. The biggest problem is a lack of a credible right-wing alternative.
Mac





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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF_Canuck wrote:
The biggest problem is a lack of a credible right-wing alternative.

I wonder what would happen if a great number of Alberta citizens started signing up with the Wild Rose Party? Would Stelmach pay attention?

-Mac
SFrank85





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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
FF_Canuck wrote:
The biggest problem is a lack of a credible right-wing alternative.

I wonder what would happen if a great number of Alberta citizens started signing up with the Wild Rose Party? Would Stelmach pay attention?

-Mac


The only person to dethrone Stelmach would be Preston Manning, but he clearly does not want to be premier, because he refused to enter the leadership race in 2006.
eveable





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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of Ontario PC's, I wish they were still in power. The Liberals were elected because of the power blackout in 02 that was not their fault. Since the Liberals have been elected, on the mandate of ensuring Ontario has electricity, they have done what? The new Darlington nuclear plant is still in proposal stage. The new hydro plant in St Catherines is still in proposal stage. But they have raised the price of electricity 4 times since 03. The last increase was because wind power is so expensive. Well geez, Premier McQuinty, we knew that and no voter asked for these wind farms. We have 7 in Ontario now, Underwood just opened and all 7 of them do less on a good day than 1 old Candu reactor. On a bad day they do a 10th or less. And speaking of the old Candu reactors, is the Liberal government planning on running these until they blow up? They are old and way past their due date.
SFrank85





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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eveable wrote:
Speaking of Ontario PC's, I wish they were still in power. The Liberals were elected because of the power blackout in 02 that was not their fault. Since the Liberals have been elected, on the mandate of ensuring Ontario has electricity, they have done what? The new Darlington nuclear plant is still in proposal stage. The new hydro plant in St Catherines is still in proposal stage. But they have raised the price of electricity 4 times since 03. The last increase was because wind power is so expensive. Well geez, Premier McQuinty, we knew that and no voter asked for these wind farms. We have 7 in Ontario now, Underwood just opened and all 7 of them do less on a good day than 1 old Candu reactor. On a bad day they do a 10th or less. And speaking of the old Candu reactors, is the Liberal government planning on running these until they blow up? They are old and way past their due date.


Actually, that blackout of 2003 had nothing to do with the Ontario PC’s from getting kicked out of office. Ernie Eves went to the polls because of his government’s quick response. Ernie Eves was not the best leader to take on McGunity. He was dithering too much, and he lost appeal to the base. Plus with people wanting change, they were numbered anyways.
teenagetory





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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, the last thing we need is a liberal government in fortress alberta. maybe if the wildroses won it would be ok, but i think that is not going to happen any time soon
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