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Stephen





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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Global conservatism? Reply with quote

Does conservatism come in waves?

First we saw Reagan, Thatcher and Mulroney.

Is the next wave Bush, Blair, Howard and Harper?

(yes, Blair's "conservatism" is debatable)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

perhaps...

of course, Bush's conservativism is in question as well ;)

I think conservativism comes at times when the economy is slowing, because people see the need for more prudent financial management.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that's a good question too... at what times does conservatism seem most attractive?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the truth about government mis-management comes out ;) hehehe

Seriously though, I think we're seeing a new age in conservativism in this country... This is quite possibly the first time in a very long time that a farther right-leaning conservative has been in power.. Until now Canada has had to live with liberals and conservatives who might as well be Liberals.

And the thing is, I think a good deal of Canadians are starting to see how much better the country is being run(and all the promises are being kept)... just too bad so many care so much about getting us out of that war we're in..
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conservatism is creeping into Europe as well. Angela Merkel, the new chancellor of German, is the leader of a right-wing coalition. I don't know if it's so much waves as a reflection of the status of society. When people are worried about what's going on in the world (economic, cultural, etc), gold stocks go up and conservative governments get elected. When people settle down, the price of gold drops and liberal governments get elected.

-Mac
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excuse me but Blair is a labor party leader, meaning he is a left wing socialist.

I think when nations face external dangers and economic problems tend to vote for conservatives!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, they know that conservatives don't take $%&* !!!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I believe conservatism comes in waves . It takes a generation for the conservative to sway people and learn how. When it is all said and done and people get conned in they go for the conservative only to find out they have been Conned. The conservative is then booted out for another generation.

The new generation that comes up hasn't been exposed to the conning and is ripe for the picking and on it goes. The circle is complete and the process repeats itself. This is good as that's how people learn about conservatism. :D
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buddy Kat wrote:
Yes I believe conservatism comes in waves . It takes a generation for the conservative to sway people and learn how. When it is all said and done and people get conned in they go for the conservative only to find out they have been Conned. The conservative is then booted out for another generation.

The new generation that comes up hasn't been exposed to the conning and is ripe for the picking and on it goes. The circle is complete and the process repeats itself. This is good as that's how people learn about conservatism. :D

Any you're posting on a conservative website because...??? :roll:

-Mac
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buddy Kat wrote:
Yes I believe conservatism comes in waves . It takes a generation for the conservative to sway people and learn how. When it is all said and done and people get conned in they go for the conservative only to find out they have been Conned. The conservative is then booted out for another generation.

The new generation that comes up hasn't been exposed to the conning and is ripe for the picking and on it goes. The circle is complete and the process repeats itself. This is good as that's how people learn about conservatism. :D


You can substitute "conservative" for "liberal" and your comments are probably just as accurate... lets see how it would look:

<i>Yes I believe <b>liberalism</b> comes in waves . It takes a generation for the <b>liberal</b> to sway people and learn how. When it is all said and done and people get conned in they go for the <b>liberal</b> only to find out they have been Conned. The <b>liberal</b> is then booted out for another generation.

The new generation that comes up hasn't been exposed to the conning and is ripe for the picking and on it goes. The circle is complete and the process repeats itself. This is good as that's how people learn about <b>liberalism</b>.</i>

Economics play a roll, but most "regime" changes are because voters are sick of the current governing party. They become arrogant and get caught doing sleazy and corrupt things (Adscam for a recent example of people getting "conned"). This is why the NDP wins the BC election from time to time, and why they ended up losing to Gordon Campbell (another thread topic perhaps?).

The cynic in me thinks that if Tories manage to survive this minority government and win a majority or two, their down fall will be some sort of scandal. Sigh, BC politics has ruined me.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

palomino_pony wrote:
Sigh, BC politics has ruined me.

Yup, it's a blood sport out here, isn't it? Since I moved here, there hasn't been a premier who hasn't either resigned in disgrace or been driven from office by outraged voters.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

palomino_pony wrote:
Buddy Kat wrote:
Yes I believe conservatism comes in waves . It takes a generation for the conservative to sway people and learn how. When it is all said and done and people get conned in they go for the conservative only to find out they have been Conned. The conservative is then booted out for another generation.

The new generation that comes up hasn't been exposed to the conning and is ripe for the picking and on it goes. The circle is complete and the process repeats itself. This is good as that's how people learn about conservatism. :D


You can substitute "conservative" for "liberal" and your comments are probably just as accurate... lets see how it would look:

<i>Yes I believe <b>liberalism</b> comes in waves . It takes a generation for the <b>liberal</b> to sway people and learn how. When it is all said and done and people get conned in they go for the <b>liberal</b> only to find out they have been Conned. The <b>liberal</b> is then booted out for another generation.

The new generation that comes up hasn't been exposed to the conning and is ripe for the picking and on it goes. The circle is complete and the process repeats itself. This is good as that's how people learn about <b>liberalism</b>.</i>

Economics play a roll, but most "regime" changes are because voters are sick of the current governing party. They become arrogant and get caught doing sleazy and corrupt things (Adscam for a recent example of people getting "conned"). This is why the NDP wins the BC election from time to time, and why they ended up losing to Gordon Campbell (another thread topic perhaps?).

The cynic in me thinks that if Tories manage to survive this minority government and win a majority or two, their down fall will be some sort of scandal. Sigh, BC politics has ruined me.


Yes that's so true ..they both got Canada by the short ones as we ping pong between two parties that pave the road for each other. Now that is control !
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, its all about control... :roll:
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think economics plays a large factor in this although I think that it is social unrest that is causing the Conservative wave across the world.
North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan, and Iraq are causing the current wave of conservative movement around the world. Can you imagine if the war came over seas and you had Jean Chretien as a wartime Prime Minister, with a PEI potato farmer as the Minister of Defence, may god help us all.
I think that plays in the back of the publics mind.
In Canada there has some other issues as well. Needless to say adscam, but as well we have been so weak on crime, democracy and global issues in the last generation, Canadians had finally had enough.
In short when the going gets tough, the going votes conservative.
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