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| Should we expand Canadian access to Concealed Weapon Permits? |
| No, we should ban handguns. |
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| Yes, Restricted - ie. to off duty, retired, and part-time law enforcement officers. |
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 Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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For all of you that are afraid of your neighbors and their possible uncontrollable rages, I submit that you are not afraid of them but are actually afraid to trust YOURSELF.
I need one of you boys to cite me a legit study that shows that the murder rate went UP when conceal and carry was introduced, anybody got anything besides their fear/distrust going for their position? |
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fkarcha
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I fundamentally view the difference between conservatives and liberals being that of trust. The former trusts his fellow man, the latter does not. This thread is surprising in that many so-called conservatives do not trust their fellow man with responsibility.
It's only a short step to not trusting them with their own health, their own well-being, their own children, and their own thoughts.
I trust my fellow man. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| There is an old Soviet slogan to the liking of "A worker should never work without his rifle near by" |
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mr12387
Joined: 21 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| fkarcha wrote: | I fundamentally view the difference between conservatives and liberals being that of trust. The former trusts his fellow man, the latter does not. This thread is surprising in that many so-called conservatives do not trust their fellow man with responsibility.
It's only a short step to not trusting them with their own health, their own well-being, their own children, and their own thoughts.
I trust my fellow man. |
I don’t exactly see how that could be the fundamental difference between Liberals and Conservatives. Because this “so-called conservative” also doesn’t trust the government (formed by his fellow man) to tell me how to raise my children (i.e. universal daycare), how I should seek healthcare (i.e. policies that denounce a two-tier system), or to run a billion dollar gun registry that is apparently supposed to protect the public (the gun used during the Dawson College shootings was registered to the psycho that shot up the school). Nor do I trust the mega-unions administered by my fellow man to rightfully protect the rights of workers without becoming self-serving, greedy and anti-business. As well, I don’t have too much trust for the millions of Canadians who were and are still willing to make Stephane Dion and Jack Layton our Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister.
Now if you’d excuse me I have to go purchase a hammer and sharpen my sickle. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| fkarcha wrote: | I fundamentally view the difference between conservatives and liberals being that of trust. The former trusts his fellow man, the latter does not. This thread is surprising in that many so-called conservatives do not trust their fellow man with responsibility.
It's only a short step to not trusting them with their own health, their own well-being, their own children, and their own thoughts.
I trust my fellow man. |
tell me, would u trust this fellow wit a gun?
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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WTF?
Is a black man supposed to be scary or something? Is the mere thought of a black man having a gun supposed to Stir up any "suppressed something" or other and make me change my mind about the right to protect one's self with a gun?
That was a dumb ass thing to post and I respectfully request it be removed CUZZIN... FORTH WITH!!!!! |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| crazymamma wrote: |
Is a black man supposed to be scary or something? |
No... but lil Wayne wit a gun should scare the shit out of anyone |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| crazymamma wrote: | WTF?
Is a black man supposed to be scary or something? Is the mere thought of a black man having a gun supposed to Stir up any "suppressed something" or other and make me change my mind about the right to protect one's self with a gun?
That was a dumb ass thing to post and I respectfully request it be removed CUZZIN... FORTH WITH!!!!! |
Nothing to do with him being black.
And everything to do with him looking like a thug.
I'd react the same way to a white guy who looked like a thug. |
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fkarcha
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Cuzzin: you photo and comment are quite loaded. A person's behaviour, not their looks determine how responsible they are. I trust my fellow man because generally speaking he is not a criminal. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| cuzzin_elias wrote: | | There is an old Soviet slogan to the liking of "A worker should never work without his rifle near by" |
Private ownership of firearms was not allowed in the Soviet Union, heck telephone directories were not allowed to be distributed to the public.
A measure of personal liberty in society is in your ability to defend youself whether in a court of law or on the street. |
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ezbeatz
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Cole
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| optimus2861 wrote: | | Cole wrote: | | I can't trust John Q Public not to break down one day after a really really bad day at work and blow me away because I took his parking spot. |
Here's the problem with this statement: logically, you can't restrict it to firearms.
"I can't trust John Q Public not to break my neck ... we can't allow the public to have martial arts training."
"I can't trust John Q Public not to stab me ... we can't allow the public to have knives."
"I can't trust John Q Public not to burn me ... we can't allow the public to have lighters."
You can either choose to live in fear of law-abiding citizens, or not. If you choose not to, that's your problem, not mine. You don't have the right to restrict my rights because you're afraid. |
Big difference between a concealed handgun and those last two things, while a handguns primary purpose is to kill or protect, the last two items you mentioned have primary uses besides kill or protect as in smoke or cut food. Yeah I know people use those items for heinous acts, but I don't see a gun being used to prepare food or light a cigarette. As for karate I don't imagine they teach how to break a neck on your first few lessons.
cite me a study that shows concealed carry reduces violent crime, I'll show you one that says the opposite, there is enough published on either side to last a lifetime reading.
"For all of you that are afraid of your neighbors and their possible uncontrollable rages, I submit that you are not afraid of them but are actually afraid to trust YOURSELF. "
No I'm pretty sure I don't trust other people. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I can't trust the average Joe to not drink and drive. Drinking and driving KILLS. Remove alcohol and vehicles from the country asap. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Cole wrote: | | I'll show you one that says the opposite, |
Do it, find it, produce it. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Beat me to it.
Some interesting stuff in there:
| Quote: | | The guns used in last week’s Bombay massacre were all “prohibited weapons” under Indian law, just as they are in Britain. In this country we have seen the irrelevance of such bans (handgun crime, for instance, doubled here within five years of the prohibition of legal pistol ownership) |
No shock there. Once again, Criminals don't obey the law, innocent victims do.
| Quote: | | Sebastian D’Souza, a picture editor on the Mumbai Mirror who took some of the dramatic pictures of the assault on the Chhatrapati Shivaji railway station, was angered to find India’s armed police taking cover and apparently failing to engage the gunmen. |
Folks died while the cops got to hide, sweet.
| Quote: | | “Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India,” Mahatma Gandhi said, “history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.” The Mumbai massacre is a bitter postscript to Gandhi’s comment. D’Souza now laments his own helplessness in the face of the killers: “I only wish I had had a gun rather than a camera.” |
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