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Hasdrubal





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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:56 pm    Post subject: Canadians to Americans: Don’t call us socialists! Reply with quote

Canadians to Americans: Don’t call us socialists!
By Arthur Weinreb Wednesday, November 5, 2008

We as Canadians are used to being called socialists, commies or worse by our neighbours to the south. Even those of us in Canada who are on the right of the political spectrum, as few as there may be, use those appellations to describe the country in which the highest form of treason is a medical doctor who would want to charge a patient for the most minor of medical procedures. But that was then; and this is now.

Canada is a left leaning country while the United States, at least until last night was regarded as leaning to the right. We even have a legitimate real socialist party; a true third party that consistently wins seats in Parliament while obtaining percentage votes in the mid to high teens. Although the New Democratic Party (NDP) has been successful in gaining power in some provinces, the party has never come close to governing the country. Despite the image that is portrayed of Canada, we have never been governed by a real socialist in the mold of President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

While Canada is now governed by the Conservative Party of Canada that has won two minority governments and has been in power since January 2006, the country is usually governed by the Liberal Party of Canada, aka the Natural Governing Party. Even when the Liberals are headed by someone from the left of that party, where current leader Stéphane Dion emerged from, we have never been led by someone who is as far to the left as Barack Obama.

The Liberals and the NDP are big government tax and spend parties. During the past few federal elections, the Liberal Party has vowed to make poverty history by (fill in the date). Their way to end poverty is to give money to those who are below the poverty line and the only way to get this money is through taxes. Since the poor don’t have any money to confiscate, these taxes are aimed at those whom these parties refer to as the “rich” including corporations. Notwithstanding this, Commie Canada has never had a leader or a party that was in power speak in terms of spreading the wealth around because somehow those damn rich people just have too much money. Nor have we ever had a reporter quote Karl Marx to a major candidate and ask how Marx differs from their policies. It was never necessary.

During last month’s election, the Liberals lost in large part because of leader Dion’s “Green Shift” plan that would see polluters (ie successful industries) heavily taxed while promising tax refunds to ordinary Canadians. What the populace saw through was that as good as it sounds, polluters never really pay. They fork over more money to the government and then pass this additional cost over to the end consumer. The Green Shift still would have had a devastating effect on those industries that would be subject to these higher taxes if for no other reason than it would make these companies less competitive. Had the Liberals won, some companies in certain industries may have gone bankrupt but that would have simply been an unintended consequence that often results when small “l” liberals enact their policies. Canada has never had a leader who flippantly remarked that companies and industries would go bankrupt as a stated result of their intended policies like the President-elect told the editorial board of the San Francisco Chronicle would happen to the coal industry under an Obama presidency.

While Canadian governments have taxed heavily in order to spend on their pet projects, they have never taken money away from corporations and the rich just because they think it is wrong for them to have it. That is true socialism and if it exists anywhere in North America it is in the United States of America. As an aside, no homeless or low income person in Canada has ever been granted a mortgage just because they wanted one without having to demonstrate the ability to pay it back. Like most true socialist countries, there will be a lot of unhappy campers if this money isn’t fully redistributed a few days after President Obama is sworn in as president.

While candidates of all major parties that are out of power campaign on some notion of change, we have never had a leader (except for the Quebec separatist party whose possibility of power is mathematically impossible) who have campaigned on the notion of “fundamental” change, ie that the country is so bad that it must be completely changed. The fundamental change that Obama has spoken about can only be tearing down the capitalistic structure of the United States and becoming a socialist paradise like all the similar paradises that exist around the world.

So if Americans insist on still referring to Canada as a socialist country, well, we’ll just have a good chuckle.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To call Canada a "socialist" or "communist" country is just an exaggeration. It is just a result of those who are too stubborn to realize that socialism has some good ideas, and that a good government would be smart to borrow good ideas from different political ideologies (social democrats). If we have some socialist ideas, does that make us communist or socialist? No, it doesn't..

The U.S. has nationalized their post offices, roads.. are they socialists then?
It was the U.S. who has done something extremely socialist (bailing out the banks) in the recent times.. Anyhow, it is funny when people throw the word communist around, if Canada or the States ever actually does become communist, I wonder what they will say..
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be Called a Socialist is a wrong. and of course it's a misunderstanding to put us together is a generalized. For myself i embrace some of the values and ideals of American Conservatism especially some of the Fiscal Conservative and Social Conservatives. I hope both sides see similarites that can help each other.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada isn't socialist or communist - but should Liberals and the NDP get the chance - it could become one.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

don muntean wrote:
Canada isn't socialist or communist - but should Liberals and the NDP get the chance - it could become one.

The Liberals were in charge for 12 years, were we socialist or communist then?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gc wrote:
don muntean wrote:
Canada isn't socialist or communist - but should Liberals and the NDP get the chance - it could become one.

The Liberals were in charge for 12 years, were we socialist or communist then?


In a way yes - just like Saskatchewan is socialist due to so many years of NDP oligarchy...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

don muntean wrote:
In a way yes - just like Saskatchewan is socialist due to so many years of NDP oligarchy...

So what has changed in the past 3 years to make us less socialist?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gc wrote:
don muntean wrote:
In a way yes - just like Saskatchewan is socialist due to so many years of NDP oligarchy...

So what has changed in the past 3 years to make us less socialist?


Not much - yet.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

don muntean wrote:
Not much - yet.

So we are still socialists then??
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gc wrote:
don muntean wrote:
Not much - yet.

So we are still socialists then??


Not so much the population as those who rule over it...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trudeau tried to bring socialism to Canada and moved us far down the path but his economic record was abysmal (typical of socialism) but since Trudeau took his long walk in the snow, the focus changed. Mulroney put the country back on it's feet but failed to repair the damage Trudeau wrought with his Constitution and Charter.

The next generation of Liberals focused less on attacking business, preferring to push political correctness and official bilingualism. The public service was all but purged of Anglophones as hiring and promotional preference was given to the left-leaning Quebecois.

Result: Whether they wish to admit it or not, Canada is socialist but we're not yet locked into that mindset permanently. Let's hope Harper and Co are able to wean us off the nanny state...

-Mac
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What we are as Canadians are not the "Nice" and "Kind" folks we are make out to be. We are not a "Nation of Tolerance" as Trudeau has sold us to be...we are nothing more then a Nation of Intolerance towards America,Hypercrisoy{sp} when confronting with Racism and Terrorism in the world around us.Refusing to admit Terrorism is caused by Al'Qaeda not America or Bush itself. overgullible when it comes to dealing with Dictators or genocide or war crimmials, Arrogance in Hockey and the role of Healthcare. Two words that sum up 90 percent of the Canadian People....Selfish,Greedy.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Canadians to Americans:"Don't call us Socialists"


After today's coup.

Nevermind. :cry:
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