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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:08 pm    Post subject: Climate changes Reply with quote

I may not know much about the whole global warming discussion, however, I can personally attest to the fact that the climate has changed a lot during my 60 years on this earth, and especially the last 25 years I have lived in BC. We no longer get the huge snowpacks that once were a given. Our winters are much shorter and we have more rain, unthinkable here back in the 60's. We have less overall amounts of rain and not as much sunshine during the summer, many cloudy days with no precipitation. Our flora is being attacked by increasing numbers of bugs, etc because the winters are not cold enough to kill them off. We are seeing new species of flying insects.

Something is changing our climate as I see it with my own eyes. I don't know how much man has to do with it as history proves that the climate has changed countless times over the millenia and for different reasons. Do I believe that taking all the cars, trucks, manufacturing plants, etc off the roads or off line will help. NO. I believe that our best course now is to make changes in our own lives that will help us to adapt. I do believe that we can work to keep our water clean and our air cleaner. I feel the most important thing we can do is to work locally to help our environment and not get bent out of shape by what the scientists are telling us - for every group that says one thing; another group states the opposite. :D

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think your snow packs will be coming back. The climate seems to run on a 30 year pattern. We had 30 years of warming (before my time) in the 20's. 30 and 40's and then 30 years of cooling in the 50's. 60's and 70's. I was alive then and I remember my mother telling me that they thought we were going into another ice age. Since I was a kid, I really didn't notice it. Then we got the warming of the 80's and 90's (we were robbed there, only got 20 years). Then the temperatures plateaued and now it is cooling. I notice that the west is harder hit this time, ie the snow storm they just got in Sask and Wash. Usually it is the east side.

I remember the winter of 06, how warm it was at Christmas and yes the ski resorts closed down until it started to snow later in the year. I won't say I didn't like it though.
I have lived in the same place for almost 30 years now. Every spring, the chipmunks show up in March, my forsythia flowers in March, we usually lose the last of the snow in March. Then the lilac blooms in May and the hummingbirds show up in May. This has not changed all these years.
This year, we could finally open the back door to the deck at the end of April and there was still snow. No chipmunks, I thought they had all died. The forsythia finally bloomed in May and the chipmunks showed up in May. The lilac bloomed in June and after I watched and waited for a month, the hummingbirds finally showed up in June.

I needed the furnace on until the end of June and then had to turn it on a few times in July and August (when nights were below 9).
This is the first climate change I have seen and it is not the one I expected. The forecast is for cooling for the next 10 to 20 years so you will see the snowpacks of your youth again.

How can you tell if water is clean? Most people use municipal water. I have well water and I am sure it is as clean as it ever was. The water in my river is as clean as it was when I first moved here. I think the air now is cleaner than it was in the 50's and 60's whan there were no pollution contols.
I am surprised every spring when I go picking up litter, bottles, cigarette packs, etc from the river bank. With all this environmental stuff, do you think people could at least stop littering?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Climate change scare is an attempt by the communist/anti democracy faction of the run UN to transfer money to the poor countries of this world.

Helping the poor is a noble gesture. Lying about climate change and causing histeria is unforgivable.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eveable, I do hope you are right about the snow packs coming back. I too have my own well and it struggles along during dry summers.

Last winter we had more snow then the past 2 winters, but it was very wet snow, the temps barely got below 32’, and only for the odd night. The snow was completely gone from my acreage by late May. However, my property is more exposed than that of others in the area, where the snow lingered into the first week of April. For the first time in years, my well didn’t run dry. The Hummers made their first appearance at the end of April and by mid-May I had over 2 dozen visiting the feeders. I had about a dozen Pine Grosbeaks for the first time. The first Crossbill I have ever seen came to the feeders daily from the latter part of May into early June. The Saskatoons are always the first bush to bloom here and they were in flower by mid-May as was the Ornamental Cherry.

For all that, it was a cold spring and summer here. We had a lot of rain, though it was spread over the late spring then into summer and late fall – October has been particularly dreary. It was not a good year for tomatoes. I too had the heat on well into late May this year and a couple of times in June. The first killing frosts didn’t arrive until last week and since then have been spotty.

I am lucky that I live in a rural area as the air is clean most of the time. It is only when we have massive forest fires in valleys close to us that the smoke will cloud our skies – we had tiny particles of ash blow over to us from the Barriere fire back during the Big Burn here in BC. We are also lucky in that we get little traffic and litter is not a big problem even when one gets closer to town. The CRD has a bi-annual clean-up of the ditches in the area, which helps. We see the heaviest amount of traffic and the most amount of litter in the summer as this is a tourist area. :(

I get my water tested yearly by the Health Unit in town. I live down the hill from an old gas station, and though all the owners swear the tanks never ruptured, I have heard stories that beg to differ.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are making me jealous, humming birds in April. However we have not had a killing frost yet and I still have a few flowers in the front. Tonight may be it though, forcast to go to minus 3. I am attempting to attach a projected temperature graph. I sure hope they are wrong as I would rather not live through that.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Egad eveable, if those projections are right I am going to be looking at moving to a much warmer country. I don't mind the snow but these old bones sure don't like the cold. Thanks for the projections.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That does it, not only did we get the killing frost but yesterday it snowed. Snowing on Oct 21st?? An hour north of me, it stuck, snow on the roads and on the ground with tractor roll overs, accidents, you name it. I think it is time to leave now before any more bright lights decide to tax us fro global warming.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warm Earth Fanaticism and Economic Theory,
Clark R Mankin, Ph.D.
Joseph Alois Schumpeter (1883-1950)
"Can capitalism survive? No. I do not think it can." Thus opens Schumpeter's
prologue to a section of his 1942 book, Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy, but
whereas Karl Marx had predicted that Capitalism would be destroyed by its natural
enemy, the exploited proletariat, Dr. Schumpeter was of the opinion that capitalism
would be destroyed by its successes. Capitalism would spawn, he believed, a large
intellectual class that made its living by attacking the very bourgeois system of
private property and freedom so necessary for the intellectual class's existence.
The formal theory proposed by Schumpeter is known by the name “creative
destruction” and during the “dotcom” frenzy this theory, first proposed in his book of
1942, became a buzzword among both the socialist elite and the populist
neoconservative movements typified by adherents such as former Vice President Al
Gore, and the Ivy League establishment of the post industrial Northeast.
The original concept Dr. Schumpeter discusses in his Capitalism, Socialism and
Democracy, of 1942, has been radicalized by modern adherents and is now
understood to mean: "By destroying an economic system we release pent up
creativity, with the end result that the emerging new paradigm creates an
entirely new and unique platform upon which wealth is based,” and this has
come to be the unspoken rallying cry of “Global Warming” fanatics.
Those who espouse the wholly unscientific and unproven notion that despite all the
classical signs and symptoms of an impending Ice Age, the earth supposedly is
“warming” have one thing in common and it is that they all look to the emergence of
a new economic structure that must, at least in their minds, spontaneously spring
forth as the hydrocarbon based economy falls victim to “creative destruction” and is
replaced by a hydrogen based economy that is as hypothetical and unproven as the
silly ranting about “global warming” in the face of hard data that show the planet is
instead moving into another Ice Age.
I can hear objections forming to my use of the term “hydrocarbon based economy,”
and so I will briefly discuss why it is that I have chosen to use the term. We live in
the midst of a transportation based economy, which is to say that of all the so-called
“basic industries,” transportation is chief among them. Transportation, or more
precisely, the lack of readily available personal transportation, to a very large degree
explains why European industrial output cannot match that of the United States. The
Europeans depend very heavily on mass transit in one form or another that limits
their ability to range far and wide in search of suitable employment and limits their
shopping possibilities with the predictable end result of reduced consumption per
capita compared with a similar population in the United States. The ability to move
around freely, selecting routes, changing one’s mind and using alternate routes, and
doing the sort of thing that mass transit companies can never afford to do is the
defining difference between the Eurozone economies and the United States economy.
Those who espouse an irrational belief in the unsubstantiated concept of “global
warming” would force Americans to ride the bus or depend on railways if the fuel cell
turns out to be either a false hope or too costly for mass production. Our economic
largesse is based upon the ability of Americans to move freely on their own schedule
and often to destinations that are not served by mass transit providers. If the family
automobile is driven to the garage and parked, our economic output will decline
almost instantly by as much as 35% or more simply due to the fact that shoppers
are no longer free to make that sudden and unplanned trip to a Wal-Mart 25 miles
away, or job seekers are no longer able to conveniently broaden their search for
employment beyond the limits provided by mass transit systems.
If the “Warm Earth” fanatics have their way and force the family car off the road,
they will do so in the hope and expectation that a hydrogen based transportation
system is available at prices affordable to the masses; something that has yet to be
demonstrated despite ongoing research now being carried out by all the major auto
The bottom line for each of us is that if the “Warm Earth” fanatics prove to be wrong
in their assumption that a hydrogen based alternative to our free and widely
available hydrocarbon based transportation system will suddenly spring up and be
available at prices working class families can afford to pay, we are doomed to the
very same sort of economic malaise that now smothers aspirations and lowers living
standards in every Eurozone nation.
We cannot have our cake and eat it too. Clean energy is a wonderful goal and one
that I personally hope will be available at affordable prices during my lifetime.
“Warm Earth” fanatics today are as rational minded as the “Flat Earth” fanatics of
Galileo’s time, but their propaganda is crudely disguised Marxism. The Berlin Wall
fell because someone realized that more money could be made without it than could
be made by leaving it in place. How that money is distributed and whether the
average German benefits are questions yet to be answered, but the fall of the wall
should never be interpreted to mean that the Marxian economists have simply
packed their bags and hopped an intergalactic flight to another planet more friendly
to the concepts of Communism. The “Warm Earth” fanatic of today is a poorly
disguised Marxist whose potential to do great harm to our society is very great
whereas in Galileo’s time the “Flat Earth” fanatics were basically harmless with the
exception of a few heretics burned here and there.
Will the “creative destruction” of our hydrocarbon based economy bring forth the
new economic paradigm, or will it instead bring about another Great Depression?
These are questions not ordinarily addressed within the context of a debate about
whether we are headed into another Ice Age or bound toward a world with palm
trees at 47 degrees of latitude, but those who read these words should mark them
well. There is more to the debate than dire warnings about coastal flooding and
climate changes. At the very core of these arguments lies a dirty little secret;
namely, that the chief proponents of “Warm Earth” fanaticism are all men and
women of a Marxist persuasion. Their views should be regarded as dangerous to the
health and welfare of Americans and indeed the whole earth. Karl Marx died over
100 years ago, but the curse of his labor valued economic theories continues and still
retains the ability to pull us all down. In the final analysis, socialism never raised the
level of anyone. What socialism does is lower everyone to the same low level.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard about the early snow in Ontario, eveable - you really got dumped on didn't you? We have snow on the mountains and some of the higher hills close to my home not but thankfully nothing on the ground yet. We have heavy frosts every night now and an ice skim covers water in my rain barrels each morning. The Grosbeaks are still coming to the feeders along with Whiskey Jacks and Stellars Jays and chick-a-dees. The grass is still green and unbelievably, my sweet peas still bloom - how they miss getting hit by frost is beyond me. That was quite the article you included in your last post. It certainly explains much of the reasoning behind the 'global warming' thinking. Many of my friends and neighbors agree that, if anything, we are looking at a cooling rather than a warming period as evidenced by our local weather over the past 2-3 decades.
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