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Craig
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
Exactly, if you cannot gather enough support to elect even one person after several elections, you have to start questioning whether your appeal is ever going to be broad enough. At some point, you have to just sit down, take stock, and question your basic assumptions. Why do people not support the Green election platform? It seems a question that is long over due.

Your time and energy could probably be much better spent working within a main stream party with compatible views.


It is a false assumption that simply because you don't win seats that you aren't making a difference.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
It is a false assumption that simply because you don't win seats that you aren't making a difference.

Agreed. Making a difference means affecting public opinion and getting elected doesn't automatically engender one with the power to do that.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

West Vancouver-Sunshine Coast was one of the few ridings we lost in 2006 even though we had won it from 1997 onward.

Even though Wilson seems to have "questionable" character, the "incumbent" factor always seems to lead to a nice pocket of votes, and if Liberal supporters, and John and Jane Q Average voter are split on Green or Liberal the fairly consistent Conservative support comes up through the middle.

I will have to send Liz May a thank you card.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if we had PR if more people would vote green.
On one hand their votes would matter.
On the other hand their votes would matter.
:P
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's suing to get on the TV debate.

She's almost a pariah, don't ya think.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh, I kinda think they should be allowed on the TV debate and also that it wouldnt hurt the CPC so much as the libs and the ndp
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsocko wrote:
She's suing to get on the TV debate.

She's almost a pariah, don't ya think.


While I think her party certainly has some creditability,
I will firmly believe that having an elected MP or 5% of the popular vote is a reasonable minimum.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, they are huge on credibility. Just look at the quality of the candidates they can attract, like John Shavluk.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that she has an MP I'd support her being in the debates; HOWEVER...

1) she's already endorsed Dion as PM so it wouldn't really be fair to have TWO on stage saying "Vote for Dion"

2) she's made a political cooperation deal with the Liberals.


Because of these two issues, she's turned her party into a defacto sub-group of the Liberal party. As such there should only be one Liberal candidate in the debates.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just look at the quality of the candidates they can attract, like John Shavluk.


What riding was he running in. I would love to monitor this during the election. Should be a laugh and a half. :lol:
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Greens just gave Shavluk the boot.

http://thealbertaardvark.blogs.....er-gp.html
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I heard. I guess the combination of truther juggernaut/failed Marijuana Party candidate was not as powerful an electoral force as you would think at first blush.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
Yeah, they are huge on credibility. Just look at the quality of the candidates they can attract, like John Shavluk.


And that is a reflection on the entire party???

We had a guy who got caught smuggling liquor into the country on the eve of the last election. Seriously, all parties have weirdos from time to time.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reflection on the party comes in the length of time weirdos are allowed to hang around. John Shavluk was allowed to carry the Green banner for what, a year? A year in which it was clear he was slightly unhinged. A year in which it was clear he was a 9/11 "truther", which in itself should disqualify you from holding public office.

I don't know why so many people are so anxious to paint a veneer of respectability on a party that clearly represents nothing but a small fringe.
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