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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Men with Guns Reply with quote

I thought this was interesting. I think it more or less sums up my feelings on the matter.

Mike Austin wrote:
Another sophisticate has spoken out, and bravely.

"I don't want to sound like an ad, a public service ad on TV, but the fact is if you can read, you can walk into a job later on. If you don't, then you've got the Army, Iraq, I don't know, something like that. It's not as bright."

So said Stephen King. He is a writer of horror I hear, though I have never read his books. I do hope that his written prose is more literate than that evinced by his speech...

There is hardly a mover and shaker residing in the ivory towers of academia or among our literati who does not share the same views as Mr. King.


From their talk, from their vast outpouring of books and articles, from their appearances in the media, from their endless self-absorption, from their spittle-flecked sputtering hatred and disdain of the common man, one would get the impression that these types are the very upholders of all that is sweet and honorable in our culture.

One would be wrong. Such men are the destroyers of civilization. Like competent parasites they take every advantage of a society created and maintained by their betters. They drain as much vitality as they can, replace it with a crude solipsism and work to crush the husk that remains...

...Civilization does not rest upon their shoulders, it rests upon the shoulders of men with guns.


"We sleep peaceably in our beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on our behalf." (George Orwell)


It has always been so. Civilization and the ability to inflict violence go together, are inseparable. Our pampered elites cannot understand this and have no ability to understand this. They look upon men with guns like apes gaping at The Last Supper.

Our venerable history books speak of Western Civilization as beginning with the Greeks somewhere around 700 BC. Not so. It began with the Hebrews pushing into what they called ‘the Promised Land' 500 years before. We forget that the most influential book in Western Civilization had its origins in the violence spread by the Israelite commander Joshua and his successors. The poetry of Solomon, the beauty of the Psalms, all rest upon the shoulders of Israelites with swords...

...The contributions of the Greeks came to us through violence, of Greek against Persian and Greek against Greek. Aeschylus fought at Marathon and Salamis, Socrates at Delium, Demosthenes at Chaeronea. Aristotle tutored the future conqueror of the world, Alexander, who himself spread Greek culture as far as the Indus River. It is simply a waste of time to try and separate those who begat Western Civilization and those who used violence to promote it. Sometimes they were one and the same.

The Romans were likewise. Cicero served in the army. Caesar was a superb Latin stylist and man of letters. Horace served with Brutus at Philippi (42 BC). Virgil idealized Roman power, and both he and Maecenas were friends of Augustus. Suetonius and Pliny the Younger served under the Emperor Trajan. The emperors Hadrian and Aurelius wrote poetry. The Emperor Constantine legalized the spread of Christianity and so begat yet another facet of the spread of Western Civilization.

The Middle Ages also relied upon men of violence and men of books. Boethius worked for Theodoric the Great (520 AD). Justinian (r. 527 - 565) revised the entire Roman law code. Charlemagne built schools, began the first European Renaissance and himself spoke several languages. An entire style of troubadour poetry and epic literature, including The Song of Roland, flowed from the wars of Christian against Moslem in Spain.

The Renaissance was a time of great violence and high culture. Leonardo designed military machines. Michelangelo worked for that most militaristic of popes, Julius II. The ruthless Medici were great patrons of the arts. Dante fought at the battle of Campaldino (1289). Machiavelli undertook both diplomatic and military missions. Cervantes was with the Christian fleet at Lepanto (1571). Cortéz was a writer, and one of his soldiers was Bernal Diaz de Castillo who became a historian of the Conquest...

...The coming Age of Iron will be met as such times are always met, by men with guns. When it is over, when the forces of barbarism have at last receded, the new civilization will be ushered in by these men, the men of Yorktown, of New Orleans, of Chapultepec, of Gettysburg, of San Juan Hill, of Saint-Mihiel, of Guadalcanal, of the Ardennes, of the Chosin River, of Tet, of Desert Storm, of Fallujah.

For it is those men and their guns who have carried upon their shoulders our American nation. It is their ancestors throughout time and space who created and supported Western Civilization, of which we are a part.

In 1000 years when the dust has settled, when the first glimmers of a new Age of Gold appear, men like Leonidas will still be remembered. Men like Stephen King will be as forgotten as yesterday's papers, remembered only by worms.


By Mike Austin, at American Thinker - its worth reading the whole thing.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always find it odd when intellectuals attack the military as the choice of the illiterate masses, considering that most Western militaries are more highly educated than the populations they serve...

For example, General Rick Hillier (CDS) has a Masters of Science, while General Petraeus (US Army, MNF-I Commander) holds a BS, Masters of Public Adminstration, and a PHd in International Relations. I don't think many people are aware that every officer in the CF must have a Bachelor's at minimum to hold a commission, as must the British, or the USMC.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, what good is freedom if you can't attack freedom?
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF_Canuck wrote:
I always find it odd when intellectuals attack the military as the choice of the illiterate masses, considering that most Western militaries are more highly educated than the populations they serve...

Although it's not essential to have a degree in order to enter the commissioned ranks in the RCMP, it's very common... and one of the 49 recommendations of the Brown Task Force was that a degree should be considered essential to be hired. That is the sole recommendation which has been effectively shelved since it would bring our recruiting to a grinding halt at a time when we can't hire people fast enough.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
FF_Canuck wrote:
I always find it odd when intellectuals attack the military as the choice of the illiterate masses, considering that most Western militaries are more highly educated than the populations they serve...

Although it's not essential to have a degree in order to enter the commissioned ranks in the RCMP, it's very common... and one of the 49 recommendations of the Brown Task Force was that a degree should be considered essential to be hired. That is the sole recommendation which has been effectively shelved since it would bring our recruiting to a grinding halt at a time when we can't hire people fast enough.

-Mac


I don't imagine the polygraph helps much either... according to some sources I've seen, poly exams have about 20% false positive rate.

kwlafayette wrote:
Hey, what good is freedom if you can't attack freedom?


Your're right, of course. The lack of perspective, gratitude, and respect is still grating, though.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF_Canuck wrote:
I don't imagine the polygraph helps much either... according to some sources I've seen, poly exams have about 20% false positive rate.

Not my area of expertise. From what I understand, the polygraph isn't a make-or-break regardless; just an investigational tool.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not my area of expertise. From what I understand, the polygraph isn't a make-or-break regardless; just an investigational tool.


Unless your Hurricane Carter.
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