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| Quote: | | Jesus demanded to kill anyone who doesn't allow him to "reign over them". |
Whow now, I've read the New Testament a number of times and I don't recall that.
Can you give an exact quote please and let me know where it appears? |
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Sheila wrote: | | Craig wrote: | | Unlike the Koran which does advocate genocide. |
Unlike the bible which advocates genocide. After Moses came from the mountain with the 10 commandments, he was outraged that his people were idolizing a golden calf. Didn't Moses demand that his people kill each other? |
Why when someone is critical of Islam do people feel the need to attack Christianity. Do you like Islam Sheila? What is your problem?
Oh, and there is a big difference between idolizing a golden calf and genocide - so I'm not sure what your point is. |
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Cool Blue wrote: | Whow now, I've read the New Testament a number of times and I don't recall that.
Can you give an exact quote please and let me know where it appears? |
The passage is Luke 19:27
The exact quote (depending on the version) is:
"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence"
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| gc wrote: | | "But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence" |
Look around the world. If the Koran advocated genocide and there weren't millions of people trying to implement it I wouldn't care. If the Nazi party only had a few dozen members in the 1930's nobody would care. Islam is a threat because millions of its adherents want to kill all Jews and at the very least enslave Christians. And if people like yourself think that a tit for tat quote between the Koran and Bible absolves these fanatics then you are in for a rude awakening. Do you want our society to become like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan? Is that what you want? |
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Craig wrote: | | And if people like yourself think that a tit for tat quote between the Koran and Bible absolves these fanatics then you are in for a rude awakening. Do you want our society to become like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan? Is that what you want? |
Let me get this straight...someone asked me for a quote in the bible, and I answered their question, so that somehow means I have no problem with fanatics or that I want to become like Saudi Arabia?? :shock: |
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Craig wrote: | | Sheila wrote: | | Craig wrote: | | Unlike the Koran which does advocate genocide. |
Unlike the bible which advocates genocide. After Moses came from the mountain with the 10 commandments, he was outraged that his people were idolizing a golden calf. Didn't Moses demand that his people kill each other? |
Why when someone is critical of Islam do people feel the need to attack Christianity. Do you like Islam Sheila? What is your problem?
Oh, and there is a big difference between idolizing a golden calf and genocide - so I'm not sure what your point is. |
The point is the hypocrisy of your statements. Do you really believe that people should have been killed because they worshipped a golden calf? Exodus 32:17-35 Do you really believe that Moses had every right to tell his people to kill each other?
Jesus really said it all in Luke 12:49-53. In part "Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division". |
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division". |
That makes sense because he wasn't about peace on Earth, his message was for the next life not of this Earth.
But anyways..
Thanks for that quote. I'll have to look it up because I don't recognize it still. Might be a difference in translations. |
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | The passage is Luke 19:27
The exact quote (depending on the version) is:
"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence" |
Ah, if you read the Bible, Jesus didn't actually say that.
The quote is taken from a parable that Jesus was telling which was about a king.
It was the King in that parable which said the quote. |
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Sheila
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| Cool Blue wrote: | | Quote: | | Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division". |
That makes sense because he wasn't about peace on Earth, his message was for the next life not of this Earth. |
Well I'm getting mixed messages then. I always thought that Jesus was about peace on earth, but in his own words, he will divide family against family (conservative against conservative, lol). The next life (if there is such a thing), we can only dream about. I like to live in the present and look to the past for lessons not to be repeated in the future. Genocide is a part of all religions. You have to kill those that don't believe what you do, then the winner can write history. |
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I always thought that Jesus was about peace on earth, but in his own words, he will divide family against family (conservative against conservative, lol) |
Peace on Earth wasn't the main message. If we followed his command of "love they neighbor" and message of forgiveness then we'd have peace on Earth, however, Jesus made it clear that the kingdom he was talking about wasn't about on this Earth.
As for being divisive, of course he was going to be divisive, that's just a statement of fact. What he was saying was, and still is, very controversial, that's why he was executed.
| Quote: | | Genocide is a part of all religions. You have to kill those that don't believe what you do, then the winner can write history. |
What the f--- are you smoking?!
Buddhists are so anti-killing that they won't even kill insects!
In the history of mass killing and genocide it is obvious that the perpetrators tend to be non-religious governments.
In terms of causing the most deaths, nothing beats communism, a political ideology that is very anti-religion. |
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Yeah I've been smoking the peace pipe, burned a little sweet grass too just to be on the safe side, LOL. Get real.
Well that decides it for me then. I think I'll become a Buddhist.
Let's talk about the mass extermination by the Roman Catholics of people who were classified as heathens. That was done in the name of Christ. Do you have any idea how many heathens were killed?
Also it says in the bible there were about 3,000 people killed because Moses told them to kill each other. I don't know what bible you have been reading, but there is so much war in the old testament, which was all done in the name of God. The sins of the fathers.
To tell you the truth, I am from the Round Church, so the devil can't corner me! |
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Let's talk about the mass extermination by the Roman Catholics of people who were classified as heathens. That was done in the name of Christ. Do you have any idea how many heathens were killed? |
I know this and they were wrong. Even the Catholic church has admitted this.
I never said no religion has never killed, they have and they were wrong. If they were Christians, then they weren't acting according to Christ. However, if you find me a religion that has killed over 300 million like communism has, I'll concede the point to you.
Why is that people, especially leftists, get so worked up about the killings in the name of religion, yet they're silent about the killings in the name of leftist ideology? |
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 10:04 am Post subject: |
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I can guarantee that more people were killed in the name of God, than in the name of communism.
Hitler burnt the German legislature and used this false flag operation to empower himself. You wonder why the people were behind him. What better way is there than that? |
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I can guarantee that more people were killed in the name of God, than in the name of communism. |
Bring some numbers then. The Black Book of Communism puts the deaths due to communism
at 93 million not including deaths due to indirect deaths such as lower life expectancies, poor health care etc., and the number is still growing since the book was published in 97.
Hitler and nazis were amateurs compared to communists. |
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Sheila wrote: | I can guarantee that more people were killed in the name of God, than in the name of communism.
Hitler burnt the German legislature and used this false flag operation to empower himself. You wonder why the people were behind him. What better way is there than that? |
Hitler wasn't personally anti-Jewish, his life was saved by a Jewish family that he was sent to during the First world war. He was just using what he could as leverage, to get folks to do what he wanted.
Perhaps you would like to take time to educate yourself on the topic of communism and the number of over 100 million souls killed in it's name, just a wee bit? You could start by reading the Atheism kills thread.
I guess now that tax time is officially over you have time for second passion in life, your Christian/God hate speak spew-age Hmmmmm..... :roll: |
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