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fkarcha





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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: This forum is a reflection of conservative activism Reply with quote

It's non-existant. That is why the Liberals and other progressives are seen as Canada's natural government. It is why the Conservative Party cannot enact conservative policies when it does get into government. We need a solution to this.

A substantial grass roots movement outside of the west, and in major urban centers would improve the status of conservatism in Canada. I see, nearly everyday, some machination of left-wing advocacy groups. Their conservative equivalent? The rare pro-life group which is only reflective of social conservatism. The reason that Gerry Nicholls laments the 'Harper Alliance' is that there is no conservative advocacy influencing voters.

Others may disagree but the success of conservatism in Canada has to rest on the shoulders of its supporters. Currently they have little influence, and as the forum's state shows, little desire to change that.

So the question is, "How do conservatives change the views of their fellow citizens?'
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wait for the gay-Conservative group that shall be out this summer, that should ruffle a few feathers ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The success of conservatism in Canada is represented by the inactivity in these forums???

I could find plenty of left wing forums that are plenty less active than this one. We haven't been around nearly as long as Free Dominion or Rabble.ca.

But thanks for chirping in with such negativity for your first post. Why not be part of the solution instead of being critical of those who are trying to form a conservative movement? Seriously, what have you done?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
I could find plenty of left wing forums that are plenty less active than this one. We haven't been around nearly as long as Free Dominion or Rabble.ca.


I would suggest that, given Bloggingtories.ca is a collection of excellent blogs, this particular forum should be particularly active. However, this forum is the least active forum on the site. It is reflective of reality. You could say left-wing forums on activism are just as inactive, but the left currently control political activism. Outside of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, there are no groups promoting small-c conservative polices to the extent

Craig wrote:
But thanks for chirping in with such negativity for your first post. Why not be part of the solution instead of being critical of those who are trying to form a conservative movement? Seriously, what have you done?


Given I have only recently come to the conservative flock, it can hardly be expected for me to have an extensive list of volunteering. That said, I have started the blog Too Young to Be Right in order to advance conservative activism among Generation Y. Get'em while they're young.

The ultimate goal of this post was to increase discussion regarding conservative activism.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fkarcha wrote:
I would suggest that, given Bloggingtories.ca is a collection of excellent blogs, this particular forum should be particularly active.


I think forums are overrated. It is way too hard to keep trolls and idiots at bay. Most forums are are of little intellectual value and perhaps that is why forums are better received by the left.

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However, this forum is the least active forum on the site.


Oh - gotcha. I didn't realize you were talking about the "Activism" forum. I thought you meant these forums in general. Yeah, we should probably do away with this forum.

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You could say left-wing forums on activism are just as inactive, but the left currently control political activism.


That's because the right is too busy working to pay the welfare checks of lefties. Seriously though, what causes are we going to rally around? Lower taxes? Hardly the type of thing to get excited about.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What causes we should rally around is an excellent question. It does have to be more than lower taxes. I would hate to think that conservatism is limited to being anti-left, being more reactive than proactive.

Some thoughts on issues conservatives could rally around at a grass roots level:

Afghanistan: the left has the anti-war protest movement, why has the right not capitalized on the pro-human rights aspect of the war? Holding pro-human rights rallies supporting the war against the Taliban would be a non-tax issue.

Labour: currently, to my knowledge, Canadians cannot opt out unions and expect to keep their job. Why should the citizen be forced into a union, and be subject to its policies, politics, and fees? As a student, I would have loved to opt out of the UFCW and save some money.

Poverty: the left has a monopoly on this issue. How can the right use grass roots organizations to help families with charity and free market ideas?

Environment: my field of expertise, as I am pursuing a degree in environmental studies. The fact is "saving the environment" is entirely compatible with private property rights, and free market initiatives. For example, increasing property rights for forestry companies is need in order to preserve Canadian forests according to a book on sustainable forest management.

Conservatives simply need to delve deeper in order to find right-wing solutions to problems the left has 'identified'. We also need to be more proactive in identifying problems in society and simultaneously promoting conservative solutions to them.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to recommend the book "Rescuing Canada's Right". Interesting read that sort of touches on what you're talking about.

I personally think we are about ONE generation away from being the "natural" governing party...

Read the book. It's a quick read and worth it.

I think the authors blog here sometimes.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I am currently reading the book. I am not quite finished, but it is what has inspired me to take up conservative activism. It is the reason for the change in focus of my blog Too Young to Be Right. I intend to start a conservative student group when I return to class in September, which is also inspired by Daifallah and Kheiriddin's book. The University of Winnipeg is suspiciously devoid of one.

It would be great if more conservatives took up conservative activism in their areas of expertise. Mine area is students and environment. Others should look for oppurtunities to make a change.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about these for causes:

Freedom! - everytime the socialists try to enact another universal social program we loose the right to choose. We should run a campaign on this issue and point out all the areas where we have lost freedom due to Trudeaus charter and majority Liberal rule for most of the last century!

Free speech! - HRC's gone amock.

Over taxation! - finally have a government that is doing something about it and the COMMMIES will do anything to bring it down. They are filled with hate for the CPC.

The rights of the unborn.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The left has a larger portion of the student population. Students have time to protest - it is kind of a right of passage. In the words of Winston Churchill...

"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain"
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsocko wrote:
Free speech! - HRC's gone amock.


I think this is one issue we could win a campaign on. We'd have the media behind us and anyone who bothers to listen. The far left loonies wouldn't listen any way, but I think the average Canadian would flock to that cause over the "environment" or immigration.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fkarcha wrote:
What causes we should rally around is an excellent question. It does have to be more than lower taxes. I would hate to think that conservatism is limited to being anti-left, being more reactive than proactive.

Some thoughts on issues conservatives could rally around at a grass roots level:

Afghanistan: the left has the anti-war protest movement, why has the right not capitalized on the pro-human rights aspect of the war? Holding pro-human rights rallies supporting the war against the Taliban would be a non-tax issue.

Labour: currently, to my knowledge, Canadians cannot opt out unions and expect to keep their job. Why should the citizen be forced into a union, and be subject to its policies, politics, and fees? As a student, I would have loved to opt out of the UFCW and save some money.

Poverty: the left has a monopoly on this issue. How can the right use grass roots organizations to help families with charity and free market ideas?

Environment: my field of expertise, as I am pursuing a degree in environmental studies. The fact is "saving the environment" is entirely compatible with private property rights, and free market initiatives. For example, increasing property rights for forestry companies is need in order to preserve Canadian forests according to a book on sustainable forest management.

Conservatives simply need to delve deeper in order to find right-wing solutions to problems the left has 'identified'. We also need to be more proactive in identifying problems in society and simultaneously promoting conservative solutions to them.

Excellent points all. The conservative movement is still divided so it's hard to get everyone to rally behind new ideas since they're too busy defending their old ideas. You're right... we should be developing and growing those items which are the common ground AND breaking new ground.... from the grassroots up...

-Mac
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would like to recommend the book "Rescuing Canada's Right".


I was going to recommend that book as well.

The last 4 years of so have seen a number of right-leaning advocacy groups pop up such as the Constitutional Foundation, Ontario Landowners Association and the Manning Institute.

There are also older more established ones like the Fraser Institute and the National Citizens Coalition.

In the past I don't think that Canadian conservatives appreciated political advocacy groups and believe that any political change must begin and end through a political party. Many still have this attitude today.

Today's political reality though means that parties have to avoid controversial issues so they depend on third-party advocacy groups to promote the issues for them. Once those issues gain enough acceptance within the general public, then a political party can formally adopt them.

For example, I have friends that are upset at Harper for not eliminating official bilingualism.

The political reality is that any PM who touches bilingualism will not get re-elected.

Rather than focusing their efforts on trying to defeat CPC MPs for not ending bilingualism, they should be forming a mainstream advocacy group to gain support from the public.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:


"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain"


And if you don't start voicing Conservative views in PUBLIC by the time you're 45, you have no courage.

FOLLOW THE "BLUE" BRICK ROAD!!!!!

Follow follow follow follow follow the blue brick road....

LOL
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bleatmop wrote:
mrsocko wrote:
Free speech! - HRC's gone amock.


I think this is one issue we could win a campaign on. We'd have the media behind us and anyone who bothers to listen.

Certain media would be behind us - Maclean's, the National Post, and the Sun chain. But the big players - CBC (exception: Rex Murphy), CTV, Global, Globe & Mail - have been deathly silent on this issue and would do everything in their power to avoid it during a campaign. It's one part that the HRCs are stacked full of their lefty buddies, and one part fear of "offending" the outspoken Islamic fanatics who are pursuing the Levant, Steyn, and Maclean's complaints.
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