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FascistLibertarian





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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:54 pm    Post subject: Manley's report released today Reply with quote

http://www.independent-panel-i....._web_e.pdf

a long read, I havent checked it all out
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I heard, it is reasonable recommendations.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For some reason, the page containing the final conclusion (page 44) isn't loading properly. Everything else seems to be working.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luckily, that didn't contain the panel's recommendations ... :oops:

This will probably cause some controversy:

The Manley Panel wrote:
Canada should continue with its responsibility for security in Kandahar beyond February 2009, in a manner fully consistent with the UN mandate on
Afghanistan, including its combat role, but with increasing emphasis on
training the Afghan National Security Forces expeditiously to take lead
responsibility for security in Kandahar and Afghanistan as a whole. As the
Afghan National Security Forces gain capability, Canadas combat role should
be significantly reduced.


This is contingent on two factors:

Quote:
This commitment is contingent on the assignment of an additional battle
group (of about 1,000 soldiers) to Kandahar by NATO and/or other allies
before February 2009.

To better ensure the safety and effectiveness of the Canadian contingent,
the Government should also secure medium helicopter lift capacity and
high-performance Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) for intelligence,
surveillance, and reconnaissance before February 2009.


The first has already been satisified, as over 2000 US Marines are being transfered to the Kandahar region when Canada resumes command of security operations later this year.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very dismayed rate now...

Dion announced they are going against the panel and calling for us to end our combat roll in 2009.

Now I know the Liberals have a small faction that still support the war...would they be allowed to vote against the Liberal Party line to continue the mission?

Is Ignatieff and Brison still pro-Afghanistan-mission ?

And do we have the sheer numbers to pull that off in parliament?

I really don't want to pull out of this mission...hopefully Harper makes it a confidence motion and we go to an election.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.nationalpost.com/ne.....?id=256093

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John Manley was asked Tuesday if his panel's report on Canada's future in Afghanistan was consistent with Liberal tradition.

"Absolutely this is in the Liberal tradition," the party's former deputy leader thundered. "I think that countries like Canada have an important, meaningful role to play in protecting our values, standing up for the rights of individuals [and for] the human security of people whose government can't protect them -- that's something we as Canadians have talked a lot about.

We're a rich country, we've got to do some of this stuff ... The world isn't a pretty place but I happen to believe that the people who came before me in the Liberal party believed in a strong role for Canada on the international stage and would say there are times when we have to be counted, times when it matters. that's what I think."


+1 John Manley
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope Manley joins the CPC
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
I hope Manley joins the CPC

I hope he doesn't! While I admit it would be a coup (since Manley was Chretien's right-hand-man for far too long) my memory is too clear. Manley is a fan of BIG government, tax & spend and everything Liberal.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just have to say that Jack Layton's stubborn stance with his views of Afghanistan make him look like a FOOL.... especially after the press conference Manley had.

Honestly.........

How can anyone in their right mind take Jack Layton seriously after that partisan display?

There's "opposition" and then there's plain old stupidity.

Afghanistan should not be a dividing issue by any means. This panel has been put together to constructively tackle this important and complex issue.

Mr. Layton is making a mockery of "democracy" as far as I'm concerned.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TorontoCon wrote:
I just have to say that Jack Layton's stubborn stance with his views of Afghanistan make him look like a FOOL.... especially after the press conference Manley had.

Honestly.........

How can anyone in their right mind take Jack Layton seriously after that partisan display?

There's "opposition" and then there's plain old stupidity.

Afghanistan should not be a dividing issue by any means. This panel has been put together to constructively tackle this important and complex issue.

Mr. Layton is making a mockery of "democracy" as far as I'm concerned.


Jack is just playing the role of the official opposition without understanding what it actually means. This talking point, that the NDP is the only real opposition in to the Tories will be the slogan that they carry into the next election (unless it takes until 2009, in which case that slogan may be a bit old by then).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I realize that but this is an issue that should be a uniting issue, not a "political tool". Manley's report was very rational and bluntly stated the facts.

Layton is dismissing the facts and all rational thought and simply forcing THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION ROLE for the sake of a slogan..... Awful.

Irrational.

Irresponsible.

I used to have a VERY small sliver of respect for that party. Very small but still I had it. This is the last straw for me. That party needs to vanish completely. I hope the Green Party overtakes them in the next general election as the #3 party in Canada. At least the Green Party has some policies that are admirable (albeit misguided...).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TorontoCon wrote:
......Layton is dismissing the facts and all rational thought ..... Awful.

Irrational.

Irresponsible.

....

Not sure why you expect something different from Layton. He is a socialist after all.
:lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well actually I thought that being a socialist, he'd be more worried about the innocent people of Afghanistan that we'd be leaving hanging out to dry....

The Taliban would basically overtake the entire country. What kind of life is that??

More poverty. More crime. Womens rights take a big hit.... need I go on?

I don't know how Layton gets to sleep at night.

Or maybe he is seeing this world of ours through rose coloured glasses or something..and thinks that diplomacy will work with these radicals who SAW OFF peoples heads on camera screaming God is great.

That's a harsh reality. These people can't be woo'ed into compromise... They need to be driven OUT and the Afghanistan government has to develop a strong army to keep them out. Period. There is no other way forward on this.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally a liberal who makes sense. Apparently when they're not electioneering they can be much more resonable :wink:
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