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plantguy
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| The first person I heard use the cow theory was Ronald Regan, Guess he's the looney left. |
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Mac
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| plantguy wrote: | | The first person I heard use the cow theory was Ronald Regan, Guess he's the looney left. |
I don't recall Reagan describing the cow/methane connection. I remember him blaming pollution on the trees (and he wasn't 100% wrong)...
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Craig
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| plantguy wrote: | | I am old enough to remember the legion of industry "experts" who worked very hard to prove that smoking, DDT, cfc's, second hand smoke,asbestos and lead in gasoline were perfectly safe and that any claims to the contrary were being spread by the looney left and biased media looking for a story where no existed. |
So because of this we should assume that all warnings are destined to be true. Please explain your logic. There are just as many examples of dire warnings that never came to fruition. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| It's snowing so bad right now in Toronto (2nd of Dec, 07) |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| plantguy wrote: | | I am old enough to remember the legion of industry "experts" who worked very hard to prove that smoking, DDT, cfc's, second hand smoke,asbestos and lead in gasoline were perfectly safe and that any claims to the contrary were being spread by the looney left and biased media looking for a story where no existed. |
What about the 80's when we were told there's a huge hole in the ozone layer expanding everyday and were all gonna be fried by the sun unless we take drastic action.
What drastic action means to these nut jobs, is them rewriting social and fiscal policy while the rest of us sit around and don't question a single thing they do! |
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| plantguy wrote: | | Guys, just for the record, the phrase "global warming" is a misnomer.The correct phrase is "climate change" |
Yes it's amazing how that has changed over the last few years as the theory has not proven to follow the experts predicted path.
| Quote: | | The theory is that we will experience extremes in weather, both highs and lows in temperatures as well as an increase in hurricanes, |
Ever since Katrina the predicted hurricane season has been a dismal disappointment for the sky is falling corner of the debate.
Climate change is a catch all phrase to cover up their incompetence. |
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kwlafayette
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Average annual deaths from weather-related events in the period 1990-2006 – considered by scientists to be when global warming has been most intense – were down by 87% on the 1900-89 average. The mortality rate from catastrophes, measured in deaths per million people, dropped by 93%.
The report by the Civil Society Coalition on Climate Change, a grouping of 41 mainly free-market bodies, comes on the eve of an international meeting on climate change in Bali. |
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t.....983816.ece
http://www.smalldeadanimals.co.....07547.html |
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plantguy
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"Approximately 80 percent of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation, so let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission standards from man-made sources." Ronald Reagan
My apologies Mac, you were correct. |
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Mac
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| plantguy wrote: | "Approximately 80 percent of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation, so let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission standards from man-made sources." Ronald Reagan
My apologies Mac, you were correct. |
No apology necessary. Even a broken clock is right once a day... sometimes twice!
-Mac |
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This cold winter would coincide with the predicted end (trough) of solar cycle 23. Solar cycle 24 is then predicted to start in 2008 and peak in approx 2011. Solar peaks are where there tends to be more storms and heat. Solar cycle 24 may be quite an intense cycle if trends continue. This link is one of many that talks about solar cycles and sun spot activity and its effects on Earth.
http://www.norcalblogs.com/wat.....r_c_1.html |
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kwlafayette
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| How are these solar cycles numbered? Surely, there has to be more than 24 cycles in the entire history of the earth? Unless it is some kind of repetitive pattern of course. I guess I should read the article. |
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| Quote: | | How are these solar cycles numbered? Surely, there has to be more than 24 cycles in the entire history of the earth? Unless it is some kind of repetitive pattern of course. I guess I should read the article. |
I believe that 23 is the number of 11 year cycles there have been since official records have been kept using the same method as we use now. 23 X 11 = 253 years ago. |
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IcemanA
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| Quote: | | The theory is that we will experience extremes in weather, both highs and lows in temperatures as well as an increase in hurricanes |
Not that I'm naive enough to believe that a cold winter or fewer hurricanes disproves AGW any more than warmer winters or more hurricanes proves it, but it is interesting enough to note that only 3 years in at least the last 50 had less hurricane activity than 2007.
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2471
And that's even ignoring the fact that before planes and/or satellites, only those hurricanes that sailors encountered or that made landfall were reported, and now we include every organized storm, even if no human ever sees it. |
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kwlafayette
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| Bear in mind too that the farther you go back in time, the less accurate the hurricane count will become. Eventually you reach a point where if someone did not see it, and write it down, and those records survived, and the researcher actually finds them, then it just did not happen. Today, we have the ability to record every single storm on the face of the planet, whether a human saw it or not, whether it makes landfall or not. |
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