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Riley W





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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reform/Can. Alliance OR Progressive Conservative Reply with quote

This question was asked on the facebook CPC site and caused quite a stir.

Want some views here.

For the record I am a Reform/Canadian Alliance'er through and through.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Reform/Can. Alliance OR Progressive Conservative Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:

For the record I am a Reform/Canadian Alliance'er through and through.


Same here!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking back in history I think the PCs were Liberal Lite, and didn't offer much altervative to the Liberals.

The Reform/C.A. was the only real conservative party...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't all the PC members join the NDP?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was never a member of either legacy party... you had to be 16 to buy a Canadian Alliance membership and the parties merged just a few weeks before my 16th birthday. So I ended up with a CPC membership instead.

So from that you can see that I identified very strongly with Reform and the Canadian Alliance. I don't really feel partisan to either side now... a few years on and it's easier to assess the strengths and weaknesses of each a little more objectively.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My interest in politics started at the same time as Kim Campbell's disastrous 'term' as PM, so I've more or less always been a Reformer. I doubt you'll find many people who will admit to being Campbell / Clark era PC supporters here.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF_Canuck wrote:
My interest in politics started at the same time as Kim Campbell's disastrous 'term' as PM, so I've more or less always been a Reformer. I doubt you'll find many people who will admit to being Campbell / Clark era PC supporters here.


Can anyone tell me what happened to the PC faction after the merger?

How much % went Liberal? How much are really left?

Are we basically a Reform/C.A. party with a few dedicated PC conservatives?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't speak for rank-and-file membership but the majority of the PC caucus joined the CPC. Joe Clark, John Herron, Scott Brison and Andre Bachand bailed out in all directions. Bachand especially must be kicking himself now... he left because he thought the new party would be insensitive to Quebec!

I know plenty of people from the PC side, so I don't think that many left.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both parties are dead and it would be better for conservatism if people realised that. We want to avoid the ridiculous infighting that is gutting the Liberals. Still, it would be nice to see more of the Reform grassroots emphasis in the CPC platform.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progressive Conservative till the merge.

Supported Tony Clement in the leadership race with Harper as my second choice on the ballot.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People like to talk about a Reform takeover, but for a while I honestly felt it was the other way around. We got two budgets, and lots of policy that the old PC party would have been perfectly happy with. It is only recently that it feels like Reform ideas are getting a fair airing in the party.

PS. A Reformer, who was also a Stockwell Day fan.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was a reformer, simply because I am Albertan. To not support the great Preston Manning was unthinkable to me.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah yes, Preston Manning...

I wish the Social Credit was still a big force today.

It would be nice to have an Evangelical mainstream provincial party.

Personally I liked Stockwell Day.

That 2000 election was a PR nightmare for him though...I remember when I was young every night something on CBC about Stock...

My mother had a crush on him (lol) and voted Canadian Alliance that year.

Although my mom is a person voter...likes the charisma effect, she voted Trudeau (yes, I am ashamed) b/c of the charisma factor, she hated Mulroney (I have got her turned around by making her watch the CTV interview and she did a 180), but she did equally hate Chretien, thought Martin was a flip flopper, and thinks Harper is straight laced and responsible.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is only recently that it feels like Reform ideas are getting a fair airing in the party.


They where talking about this during the At Issue segment of the news last night. Flaherty's taking the public's concerns to the banks(ATM fees) and merchants(high prices) was considered a populist stance by Alan Greg and Chantel Herbert. Coyne thought this was stupid of the CPC.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed. I have to remind myself that 100% populism isn't an ideal solution ... people in large groups can be very, very stupid sometimes (see Hugo Chavez). I'm happy with keeping the government reform and decentralization polices of the Reform / Alliance.
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