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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:48 pm    Post subject: Experts urge: Time to Ditch Kyoto Reply with quote

http://www.canada.com/topics/n.....48&p=1

Tides are turning on Kyoto and by default, the NDP and Liberals.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, the worm has turned, and the NDP and Green parties are marching out in front of a non-existent crowd, down the wrong street.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They warn against compounding Kyoto's mistakes in Bali: "We are witnessing that well-documented human response to failure, especially where political or emotional capital is involved, which is to insist on more of what is not working: in this case more stringent targets and timetables, involving even more countries."
I really hope that is not what happens.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, this quote is the BEST!
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They also say carbon taxes and so-called cap-and-trade systems, which can target emissions reductions for countries and industries, cannot stimulate the level of action required. They "cannot deliver the escape velocity required to get investment in technological innovation into orbit, in time," they say.


CARBON TAXES WILL NOT WORK. Time to stop talking about them.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original, in Nature.

http://www.nature.com/nature/j.....9973a.html

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Economic theory recognizes the futility of throwing good money after bad. In politics, however, sunk costs are often seen as political capital or as an investment of reputation and status. So we acknowledge that those advocating the Kyoto regime will be reluctant to embrace alternatives because it means admitting that their chosen climate policy has and will continue to fail. But the rational thing to do in the face of a bad investment is to cut your losses and try something different.
I think we will see at least one of the Liberal, NDP, or Green parties riding this one all the way to the bottom.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Around 1990 it became obvious that the local tide-gauge did not agree -- there was no evidence of 'sinking.' So scientists at Flinders University, Adelaide, were asked to check whether this was true. They set up new, modern, tide-gauges in 12 Pacific islands, including Tuvalu, confident that they would show that all of them are sinking.

"Recently, the whole project was abandoned as there was no sign of a change in sea level at any of the 12 islands for the past 16 years. In 2006, Tuvalu even rose."

http://www.canada.com/national.....32&p=2
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the same article.
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"Over the years, as I have learned more about the data and procedures of the IPCC, I have found increasing opposition by them to providing explanations, until I have been forced to the conclusion that for significant parts of the work of the IPCC, the data collection and scientific methods employed are unsound. Resistance to all efforts to try and discuss or rectify these problems has convinced me that normal scientific procedures are not only rejected by the IPCC, but that this practice is endemic, and was part of the organization from the very beginning."
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
CARBON TAXES WILL NOT WORK. Time to stop talking about them.

Meanwhile, the finance minister in BC is talking about carbon taxes...

-Mac
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