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theatheistjew





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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
Ruth wrote:
So, one has to ask what the heck is the point if faith based schools if you can't teach your faith?

-Ruth

One can answer very easily. A great deal of what teachers give to students is not on the curriculum. As adults in a position of influence over their students, teachers provide an ongoing example of adult behaviour which students learn and sometimes emulate. Would you rather have your kids taught by teachers who exemplify Christian attitudes or teachers who exemplify socialism & political correctness?

-Mac

Are you saying that teachers in fund based schools are better people than teachers in the public school system?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

theatheistjew wrote:
Are you saying that teachers in fund based schools are better people than teachers in the public school system?

Nope. I know you atheists are painfully sensitive about the frequent Christian presumption of moral superiority. Muslims often make similar claims. I make no such claim; I know excellent individuals who are atheists and I know truly repellent Christians.

I believe morality should be learned at home, long before entering the school system. Likewise, religious beliefs should be learned outside the school system but faith isn't something you put on and take off like a jacket. Adults teach social behaviour by example (consciously or otherwise) and I expect Christian teachers would model their beliefs. Likewise, I expect socialists model their beliefs... and children learn from what they see and experience.

I want my kids to understand the downfalls of socialism and political correctness so I talk to them about these subjects like any responsible parent would. So far, so good.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
theatheistjew wrote:
Are you saying that teachers in fund based schools are better people than teachers in the public school system?

Nope. I know you atheists are painfully sensitive about the frequent Christian presumption of moral superiority. Muslims often make similar claims. I make no such claim; I know excellent individuals who are atheists and I know truly repellent Christians.

I believe morality should be learned at home, long before entering the school system. Likewise, religious beliefs should be learned outside the school system but faith isn't something you put on and take off like a jacket. Adults teach social behaviour by example (consciously or otherwise) and I expect Christian teachers would model their beliefs. Likewise, I expect socialists model their beliefs... and children learn from what they see and experience.

I want my kids to understand the downfalls of socialism and political correctness so I talk to them about these subjects like any responsible parent would. So far, so good.

-Mac

I had a teacher in a math class in high school who definitely got me to think (this was 1979). It was a 9:00 AM class and he usually started talking early, he discussed all sorts of things that weren't math related. One day he gave his theories on homosexuality. He said that he believed that certain family lines were prone to have a larger propensity of homosexuals born. He said that societal factors either caused large or small numbers of homosexuals to be born.
In times when homosexuality was accepted, the future generations didn't have as many homosexuals because, the homosexuals were not forced to hide their gayness, and it tended to mean they would have less children.
But in times when homosexuality was hidden and hated by society, gays would marry straights and create a higher probability of giving birth to gays in future generations.

It is interesting especially at that time to be discussing a topic like this and the fact that the teacher believed a genetic basis for homosexuality that could be partially valid today.

And you can call him Liberal, or Socialist, but he definitely wasn't politically correct.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theatheistjew wrote:
And you can call him Liberal, or Socialist, but he definitely wasn't politically correct.

From what you've said, I don't know whether any of these classifications are appropriate but you've validated what I was describing.

I would suggest most teachers are more subtle than this and, in some cases, their influence might be unintentional. For instance, the kindergarten teacher who asks children to bring in school supplies which he/she collects and redistributes as needed may or may not realize he/she is modelling communism... or maybe this modelling is intentional.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
theatheistjew wrote:
And you can call him Liberal, or Socialist, but he definitely wasn't politically correct.

From what you've said, I don't know whether any of these classifications are appropriate but you've validated what I was describing.

I would suggest most teachers are more subtle than this and, in some cases, their influence might be unintentional. For instance, the kindergarten teacher who asks children to bring in school supplies which he/she collects and redistributes as needed may or may not realize he/she is modelling communism... or maybe this modelling is intentional.

-Mac

Personally I'm glad Mr. Minty did his monologue every day. It was very interesting, and I looked forward to it. And don't forget I was 17 or 18 at the time. It is no different than what anyone is exposed to in Humanity courses in university when you are in a class with a TA.
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