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Should the CPC go full out in Toronto Centre and Willowdale?
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hamiltonguyo





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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:39 pm    Post subject: Should the Conservatives Go All Out or the Byelections Reply with quote

Out of the byelections coming up, two of them are winnable (The Sask. one and Vancouver Quadra), but 2 of them are Hopeless (Willowdale and Toronto Centre)

The question I pose is: should the party max our the campaign allowances, send in Ministers, and work 110% on them?

I think they should.

Martha-Hall FIndlay and Bob Rae are both important Liberals and if we take enough votes away from the Liberals in order that the NDP win it would be a huge embarrassment for the Liberals, and would help speed their demise.
Riley W





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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree.

It never hurts, and it will show Urban Canada that we care about urban votes.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The party has enough of a machine to handle all four while hitting on all cylinders.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Furthermore, it should be a pure policy campaign. They should just ignore the other guys like they don't exist. No attack ads, a positive campaign.

The numbers the CPC is polling at, they could sweep these by-elections. Liberals will be staying home, they have nothing to get excited about.
Riley W





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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes the CPC should pull out all the stops for the next set of by-elections.

To get ONE urban riding would be HUGE.

We need to remember none of these ridings used to be ours.

I would say prioritize Toronto Centre (it would be a HUGE, utterly HUGE blow for Rae to lose)

The great thing about by-elections is people from other nearby ridings can come over to the by-election for a team effort.

I don't think we need star candidates either.

We just need to rally out the forces and get as many people knocking doors, and getting flyer's up, etc.
Cool Blue





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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No attack ads, a positive campaign.


How can you NOT run attack ads with Rae running?

"Make every day a Rae Day!"
PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why shouldn't they exercise their rights?!
kwlafayette





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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the polls are moving and conditions are right for ignoring the other candidates. The media, people, everyone is talking about the CPC and conservatism in Canada right now. No one is thinking about Liberalism, why remind them of it?
BLueWLU





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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the above. Even though I think the Conservatives chances of winning Willowdale and Toronto Centre are very slim, if the Conservatives were to get within 10-15% of the liberals then this would be seen as a huge confidence booster.
IcemanA





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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
I think the polls are moving and conditions are right for ignoring the other candidates. The media, people, everyone is talking about the CPC and conservatism in Canada right now. No one is thinking about Liberalism, why remind them of it?


Indeed. Attack ads are most effective in reducing support of a party which has excessive undue support do to ignorance. The liberals have enough negativity from the press,...any "piling on the heap" by conservatives may well turn into kicking the dog while its down, claims of underdog status, victim status, etc to the big nasty evil conservatives. When the party is doing well compared to the other party, build on the positives. Like said above, ignore the others....

But in the case of attack ads against conservatives.... Do you respond to blatant errors in fact and propaganda, or continue the ignore and build strategy?
kwlafayette





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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose you could point out the factual errors, but the better you are doing, the riskier it is to give free press to your opponent. It would be better if the media would point out factual errors on their own. Since the CPC cannot depend on that, I guess they would have to.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the mantra of the politician? Never admit, never apologize, never explain, or something like that.
Riley W





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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheesh, I talked to one of my mother's friends from Vancouver (greater area - Renfrew, Rupert region), and she is a married white Christian woman has the 2 kids. Traditional as you can get, but is a bleeding hear NDP'er.

I kept arguing a capitalist view point, but man she is one of those baby boomers from the 60s era.

I think the CPC can slowly chip in the greater urban areas, but we should try to tap in more to suburbia.

Burnaby
Surrey
Richmond
New Westminister
Abbotsford
Markham
Laval
Vaughn
Aurora
Dorval
etc.
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