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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno.
He just said Canada must remain tied to the Kyoto Protocol.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HAH HA HAH HAH HA
What a chicken sh*t!!!
Their plan is to propose amendments and then abstain if the Conservatives don't accept them?
That is pitiful!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They will probably all get the red flue and not show up.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
CBC already has a story up that says Dion is not going to do it. If the CBC doesn't know, then Dion himself does not know.


LOL...so true!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dion was respectable in his tone of voice, and overall presentation, ... but Harper was spectacular.

He has become very comfortable in the Prime Minister's chair, and I was very impressed with how masterfully he used genuinely funny and tasteful humour to strike back at the Liberals, and speak highly of the Conservative record.

What was particularly impressive was how he undercut's Dion attempt to make himself look a little bit less weak for potentially abstaining from voting on the Throne Speech.

That attempt was Dion essentially arguing that his potential abstaining action is no big deal since the current Prime Minister used a similiar tactic when he was the leader of the opposition.

Stephern Harper very skillfully then took that comment, and talked about how flattered he was to be Dion's role model of how the leader of the opposition should act! :lol:

It was genuinely funny, and at the same time it plays right into the NDP's hands in trying to break support off from the Liberals. If Jack Layton is wise he'll argue that "Like Prime Minister Harper said, Stephane Dion is actually emulating him! It just shows that there's no real difference between Harper and Dion, and if you want a strong, effective opposition to Stepher Harper's right-wing agenda in Parliament, these believe in nothing Liberals are not for you!".

Harper made a picture-perfect Gretzky-esque pass to Layton, and now Layton simply needs to be Jari Kurri and put it in the gaping open net with Goalie Stephane Dion completely out of position.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
So, no election. Next election, as scheduled, October 19 2009.

PS. I have never seen a PM exhibit so much restraint in not calling an opportunistic election. Harper really does have some principles.
I don't think that even before the "fixed election" law a minority PM could go to the GG and advise an election. King/Byng affair. I doubt he can now under the new law.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

centrifugal wrote:
They will probably all get the red flue and not show up.
Why shouldn't the CPC pair for any no-shows or abstentions?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ruth wrote:
HAH HA HAH HAH HA
What a chicken sh*t!!!
Their plan is to propose amendments and then abstain if the Conservatives don't accept them?
That is pitiful!

-Ruth


Was it pitiful when Harper did the same thing in 2004?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harper did not get up and make a big blustering idiot out of himself, declaring that certain items in the throne speech were deal breakers and then turn around and show himself to be a blatant liar.
Either Kyoto and Afghanistan are the Liberal's babies or they aren't.
At some point, these guys do have to grow a spine if they ever want to be in power again.

-Ruth
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ruth wrote:
Harper did not get up and make a big blustering idiot out of himself, declaring that certain items in the throne speech were deal breakers and then turn around and show himself to be a blatant liar.


Sure he did (link)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If memory serves me correctly, all the Conservatives, including Harper, abstained from voting on the Throne Speech. Period.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JBG wrote:
centrifugal wrote:
They will probably all get the red flue and not show up.
Why shouldn't the CPC pair for any no-shows or abstentions?


Maybe they will - that would be AWESOME!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gc wrote:
Ruth wrote:
Harper did not get up and make a big blustering idiot out of himself, declaring that certain items in the throne speech were deal breakers and then turn around and show himself to be a blatant liar.


Sure he did (link)


No, he didn't.

The tone of Harper's criticisms from 2004 are decidedly different from the tone of Dion's criticisms today.

Harper simply sounded "disappointed" back in 2004 - Dion sounded angry, and upset, today in Parliament.

"Void and vague" are far cries from the combative language that we saw from Dion in Parliament today.

I think that Dion did Ok overall, but it is rather disconcerting to see a man arguing so passionately against a throne speech... and then say that the worst he'll do against it is abstain.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triple_R wrote:
No, he didn't.

The tone of Harper's criticisms from 2004 are decidedly different from the tone of Dion's criticisms today.

Harper simply sounded "disappointed" back in 2004 - Dion sounded angry, and upset, today in Parliament.

"Void and vague" are far cries from the combative language that we saw from Dion in Parliament today.

I think that Dion did Ok overall, but it is rather disconcerting to see a man arguing so passionately against a throne speech... and then say that the worst he'll do against it is abstain.


Harper said he didn't approve of the Liberal throne speech in 2004, but abstained from it in order to avoid an election. Dion is doing the same thing. Not much of a difference there.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gc wrote:
Harper said he didn't approve of the Liberal throne speech in 2004, but abstained from it in order to avoid an election. Dion is doing the same thing. Not much of a difference there.


Did Harper lay out five items that HAD to be in the speech in order for him to support it? And then support it even though many of those conditions had not been met?
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