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cosmostein





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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject: The Next Leader of the Ontario PC Party? Reply with quote

With today's polling showing us losing seats over our 2003 position, I think its time for us to start looking forward to 2011.

Its very clear that going with a "Progressive" leader was the wrong course of action, while I did support Mr. Tory in his bid for leadership I don't think many of us could have expected his inability to defend his positions during the election campaign would be this bad.

I strongly feel that Mr. Tory will not be returning as leader of the party and if he does his inability to defend FBF or even bring up the UN charge over the entire campaign makes it very difficult for me as a card carrying member of the party to support him moving forward.

With that said I would be interested on getting the forums feedback on a potential leadership replacement moving forward.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno, Joe Clark? Ed Broadbent? Do you want Big Roy (Romanow)? Mayor David Miller? Looks to me like Ontario is going to be Liberal provincially for the foreseeable future. Therefore, you should try to elect, as your leader, someone who is even more socialist than any Liberal. Look how well it worked this time around.

Seriously, pick an actual conservative. Someone who can actually be differentiated from the Liberal candidate. Someone who at least one time in his or her life, had a conservative thought. Someone who is into taking care of business, instead of whining about the fed and raising ever more taxes.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe that Mayor of Ottawa guy wants the job? What is his name, used to be my boss, the Calian CEO.

PS. Oh, just had a wicked thought. Must be the idle hands. Belinda Stronach is free, and she has the money to buy basically any party in the country. We all know she wants to be PM, has provincial politics been a successful stepping stone for anyone?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:


Belinda Stronach is free,



I would sooner vote Green :shock:
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked Frank Klee's platform when he ran as leader,

He was a firm Conservative.
kwlafayette





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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larry O'Brien, that is the guy I am thinking of. Never heard of this Klee fellow. The last Ontario PC leadership contest sounds a lot like the last Alberta PC leadership contest. A choice between conservatism and the mushy middle; the mushy middle won.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rona Ambrose?

Bev Oda?

Belinda Stronach?

They all sound good to me....
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all the biased and negative reports all over the MSM, PCs didnt have any chance to begin with.

Liberals' campaign ads were badly misleading and dishonest... Scaring people to vote for PC. I feel bad about living in this province!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim Hudak is my choice for leader.
Which reminds me, I have to go vote Liberal today. And again, the reason me and the Mrs. are doing this is because Tory didn't drop the faith based funding idea altogether, and I can't trust him not to somehow slime it in if he were elected regardless.
Also, my vote is vote against those politicians in the future who try to blur the line between separation of church and state.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Which reminds me, I have to go vote Liberal today. And again, the reason me and the Mrs. are doing this is because Tory didn't drop the faith based funding idea altogether, and I can't trust him not to somehow slime it in if he were elected regardless.
Also, my vote is vote against those politicians in the future who try to blur the line between separation of church and state.


Well said, except that a vote for McGuinty is a vote for Catholic schools since he doesn't seem to want to give up full funding for his religion anytime soon.

I will be reluctantly throwing away my vote and going Green since they have an actual policy of separation of church and state (and they want to lower income taxes too :D )

Good luck to John Tory anyway and although his socialist\theocratic policy to fund all faiths cost him my vote(and thousands of others), at least he had the guts to admit the discrimination present in the status quo and I hope whoever takes his place will take steps to eliminate the separate schools altogether.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Step 2 the Right had a good blog article.

Dalton will HAVE to deal with this in the next 2 years, the Charter will take this issue to court, and its between funding NO schools or all.

I wonder how Dalton - a Catholic school go'er himself and his kids - will decide....
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh and atheist jew - Voting liberal is a vote for the status quo of Catholic only, and Dalton will have to decide - someday - between no Catholic funding or funding for all Catholic schools.

How do you think he will go given his education and his children's education history? (hint hint)

You should have probably voted Green......
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dalton will HAVE to deal with this in the next 2 years, the Charter will take this issue to court, and its between funding NO schools or all.


Agreed, although only if the PC MPPs can keep the debate going through the legislature. Dalton will try to keep denying the problem so the issue will disappear if the OPC people don't get active. I doubt it will be a Charter issue since the Charter exempts separate schools from following human rights protocols.

A Toronto Star poll shows 70% in support of abolishing the separate schools (although the Star usually avoids being accurate on political issues) so if the OPC takes this stance they will pick up a lot of popular support. http://www.thestar.com/article/264580 (However I'm sure the Star will still try it's best to avoid supporting them)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theatheistjew wrote:
Tim Hudak is my choice for leader.
Which reminds me, I have to go vote Liberal today. And again, the reason me and the Mrs. are doing this is because Tory didn't drop the faith based funding idea altogether, and I can't trust him not to somehow slime it in if he were elected regardless.
Also, my vote is vote against those politicians in the future who try to blur the line between separation of church and state.



I'm charmed by your inability to see the game that Dalton played and won you over with. How much thought have YOU actually put into your position? Or has your personal disgust of religion colored your ability to see the world as it actually is??

I truly do believe that the Liberals fanned the flames
of fear and distrust without naming the pink elephant
in the room. Dalton is using an old tactic much like
the one used by Hitler. Do you think he started out
crucifying the Jewish community or maybe he started
subtly much like the liberals just did? Frankly I am
just disgusted by this tactic. Feel good about rewarding Dalton
and his segregationist gang on that one?

Another point I would like to make, since these
Muslim schools already exist, is it not better to
bring them into the fold so we have a right to dictate
that A) they be taught in English?

B) They are taught by accredited
teachers?
C) they are taught the Ontario
Curriculum?

D) The province has a right to inspect
the schools at any time?

For me it just makes sense to bring them into the fold
rather then letting them sit on the side doing their
own thing of which we have absolutely no control.

Lastly I would like to point out that there are only
some 53 thousand students currently going to private
FBS. Of which over 80% are Christian.

Think of this. YOU have the option of sending YOUR
child to the school of YOUR choice, one with no religion. Which by
the way I pay my taxes to. I prefer to have my child in a FBS.
None of my taxes go toward it. Bully for you. I get to pay for
your kids, screw me and mine?

Since when has it been a conservative idea to decrease competition?
Happy thinking of that teachers union having a complete monopoly on our
critter's minds? Competition = better education standards. But how very
silly of me to encourage that.

I guess to sum up my position I would have to say it
is about FAIRNESS and making these schools accountable
and force the bogeyman out in the open.
kwlafayette





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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is the great thing about democracy, people always get exactly the government that they deserve. It is also the great problem with democracy. Hopefully, this puts the Ontario PC party on the right track, less adjective, more noun type of thing.
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