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biggie





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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:23 pm    Post subject: Civil conversation Reply with quote

Lately I have noticed a very negative tone in many of the posts on these forums;

Let me make it very clear to all members; personal attacks will not be tollerated.

If you engage in these types of attacks, you will be warned, and if you continue you will be banned(temporarily, permanently if the situation should warrant it).

We all get heated in discussion; but lets keep it civil.

We may disagree with someone's views, but we don't have to attack their character over it.

I'm asking for you all to help us keep this place the way it has managed to remain for the past year; a place of friendly(although sometimes heated) discussion.

I don't want us to sink to the level that we have seen at other political forums.

A little bit of respect goes a long way...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we attack and tear ideas apart?

I understand and agree with respecting the person and making no personal insults.

But if somebody states and idea I disagree with, can you make comments like "that idea is absolutely moronic", that type of rhetoric.

Its hard being respectful of certain ideas and stances. :wink:

I usually try to go by: 'attack the idea/stance, not the person"
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
Can we attack and tear ideas apart?

I understand and agree with respecting the person and making no personal insults.

But if somebody states and idea I disagree with, can you make comments like "that idea is absolutely moronic", that type of rhetoric.

Its hard being respectful of certain ideas and stances. :wink:

I usually try to go by: 'attack the idea/stance, not the person"


Certainly - but keep in mind that being respectful also means that you disect those ideas. Although it is not something you will be warned for; raising the level of conversation not only improves your image, it also helps foster a friendly and welcoming environment.

I think that it would be best to take these issues down to their core; lets look at the facts.

FF_Canuck is likely one of the best examples of this type of approach. It is rare to see one of his posts that contains any sort of "attack".

We all(myself included) can learn from this type of approach.

But yes, some ideas are just ridiculous... and I don't take issue with calling a spade a spade 8)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why did the athesist jew get banned?
biggie





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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He knows the reason. If you are concerned with the decision then ask him.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the ban likely to be permanent?
If so, I might have to stage a protest. ;-)
--Ruth
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He got banned? I wonder if it was because he called me dumb as a rock in a private message. How do you know he got banned?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ruth wrote:
Is the ban likely to be permanent?
If so, I might have to stage a protest. ;-)
--Ruth


No, it's not permanent.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok good.
Fair enough.

--Ruth (putting protest signs down)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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FF_Canuck is likely one of the best examples of this type of approach. It is rare to see one of his posts that contains any sort of "attack".


Careful, its hard enough to find helmets big enough for my massive noggin at its current size :lol:
Craig
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
He got banned? I wonder if it was because he called me dumb as a rock in a private message. How do you know he got banned?


I banned him. After warning him about the "dumb as a rock" comment he was rude to me. He was not only banned from the forums but also from the entire site (the pitfalls of a static IP). He will only be unbanned if an apology is received. And given his personality I don't expect one.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
He will only be unbanned if an apology is received...

And, in my web-life experience, this is THE classic sign that someone is taking things too seriously and needs a break from all things BT-community related.
Take a break.
It's a forum. It's not real life. It shouldn't affect you that much, because really, it's not that important.

-Ruth
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

biggie wrote:
Ruth wrote:
Is the ban likely to be permanent?
If so, I might have to stage a protest. ;-)
--Ruth


No, it's not permanent.
Does that mean that a Reform Jew from NYC area gets banned?
biggie





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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JBG wrote:
biggie wrote:
Ruth wrote:
Is the ban likely to be permanent?
If so, I might have to stage a protest. ;-)
--Ruth


No, it's not permanent.
Does that mean that a Reform Jew from NYC area gets banned?


As long as you remain civil, and show respect for the well-stated and re-itterated rules; no.

We encourage disagreement.

We don't tollerate rudeness, abusiveness, or personal attacks.

We're all adults here(or if not in age, most certainly in maturity), and we like to act like it.

I think you'll fit in just fine.

This never-baptised agnostic has done just fine 8)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ruth wrote:
Craig wrote:
He will only be unbanned if an apology is received...

And, in my web-life experience, this is THE classic sign that someone is taking things too seriously and needs a break from all things BT-community related.
Take a break.
It's a forum. It's not real life. It shouldn't affect you that much, because really, it's not that important.

-Ruth


Craig is co-designer of these forums...

He takes this very seriously, and he has ever right... nay, responsibility, to do so.

I take this seriously, and I have simply been asked to help watch over these forums.

The last thing any of us want to become is another Daily Kos, or the like.

What this comes down to is a rule of law... in society, the rule of law is the only rule. As conservatives, most of us believe strongly in the word of law. In here, the rule of law is respect. If you consistently fail to show respect, you will not be allowed to participate.

This has entirely to do with upholding civility in these forums. Those of us who have been around since the begining have seen these boards grow and evolve; we don't want to see them fall to shambles over personal disagreements.

We all want to see BEAJ come back and join us for more rousing discussion... but at this point, its up to him.
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