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Riley W





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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say have no public schools and offer a lump sum to every parent for every kid to send their child to a private school of their choice.

Then the national government has a set curriculum for what you need to have to get a valid grad. certificate.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
I say have no public schools and offer a lump sum to every parent for every kid to send their child to a private school of their choice.

Then the national government has a set curriculum for what you need to have to get a valid grad. certificate.

The government can't justify forking over dough for private schools. In other words, you can't use tax money for it. You can't have it both ways.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
Are you saying just do away with property taxes all together? That would be great, but then you get the "fairness" crowd shouting about how then some schools might be only for the "rich". Better not to advocate too much change at once. A lot of people like their universally bad public school system. Just like they love their universally bad health care system.

Yeah, you're right. The socialists have their "tendrils" too deeply in the Canadian psyche to be dislodged so easily. Pity.

Most of us don't really mind working together to provide the basic services, whether it be education or healthcare. The problem is the bureaucratic public system is very jealous of it's jurisdiction and greedy for resources... and there doesn't seem to be much political will to curb their excesses.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
kwlafayette wrote:
Are you saying just do away with property taxes all together? That would be great, but then you get the "fairness" crowd shouting about how then some schools might be only for the "rich". Better not to advocate too much change at once. A lot of people like their universally bad public school system. Just like they love their universally bad health care system.

Yeah, you're right. The socialists have their "tendrils" too deeply in the Canadian psyche to be dislodged so easily. Pity.

Most of us don't really mind working together to provide the basic services, whether it be education or healthcare. The problem is the bureaucratic public system is very jealous of it's jurisdiction and greedy for resources... and there doesn't seem to be much political will to curb their excesses.

-Mac

Government jobs and bureaucracy positions keeps people who would normally be good welfare candidates from having to get welfare.
Take away the needless jobs in Canadian government and we would have nothing but unemployment.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theatheistjew wrote:
Government jobs and bureaucracy positions keeps people who would normally be good welfare candidates from having to get welfare.
Take away the needless jobs in Canadian government and we would have nothing but unemployment.

Click!!

-Mac
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
theatheistjew wrote:
Government jobs and bureaucracy positions keeps people who would normally be good welfare candidates from having to get welfare.
Take away the needless jobs in Canadian government and we would have nothing but unemployment.

Click!!

-Mac

I saw that when the story first came out. But it is still very funny in light of the comment I made.

How does a government employer wink?

He opens one eye.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theatheistjew wrote:
How does a government employer wink?

He opens one eye.

Why don't government employees look out the window in the morning?

If they did, they'd have nothing to do in the afternoon. :wink:

-Mac
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theatheistjew wrote:
Mac wrote:
kwlafayette wrote:
Are you saying just do away with property taxes all together? That would be great, but then you get the "fairness" crowd shouting about how then some schools might be only for the "rich". Better not to advocate too much change at once. A lot of people like their universally bad public school system. Just like they love their universally bad health care system.

Yeah, you're right. The socialists have their "tendrils" too deeply in the Canadian psyche to be dislodged so easily. Pity.

Most of us don't really mind working together to provide the basic services, whether it be education or healthcare. The problem is the bureaucratic public system is very jealous of it's jurisdiction and greedy for resources... and there doesn't seem to be much political will to curb their excesses.

-Mac

Government jobs and bureaucracy positions keeps people who would normally be good welfare candidates from having to get welfare.
Take away the needless jobs in Canadian government and we would have nothing but unemployment.


And you said I wasn't conservative?

In all seriousness, if the government cut the taxes it used to create these wastefull jobs, the money and workers would be free for more productive use.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And you said I wasn't conservative?

In all seriousness, if the government cut the taxes it used to create these wastefull jobs, the money and workers would be free for more productive use.[/quote]
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If you took away needless government jobs, these workers might be free to do more productive things, but where will they get these jobs? I would rather a person work and do half a job, than not work and do no job. It is the latter that are more expensive and will cause higher taxes in the long run.
Besides, this is all hypothetical, government jobs aren't going anywhere.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just want to add that I don't think government workers should make more than 75% of what they are making today. They are overpaid for the most part which doesn't give them incentive to get a job in the real world.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

theatheistjew wrote:
westmanguy wrote:
I know I get absolutely livid when I hear stories on the news where a atheist-secular group goes to Napanee Ontario to try to stop the Lord's prayer at the Council meeting...

...Even when NOBODY in that community complained about it.

I'll say it, I am intolerant towards atheists who want to change the heritage of this nation.

Try to stay on topic or this tread will be closed:) I did write about having the Lords Prayer in a government building:
http://baconeatingatheistjew.b.....uncil.html

Why not sacrifice a chicken before the meetings start too and smear blood all over ones face?


Are you for real?

The Lord's prayer doesn't involve the slaughtering of an animal, or engaging in some sort of bloodlust.

You need to stop being so incredibly thin-skinned over the mere mention of God, and learn to accept the fact that most Canadians are not atheists/agnostics, whether you like it or not.

So far, you strike me as a profoundly intolerant and unreasonable person.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triple_R wrote:
theatheistjew wrote:
westmanguy wrote:
I know I get absolutely livid when I hear stories on the news where a atheist-secular group goes to Napanee Ontario to try to stop the Lord's prayer at the Council meeting...

...Even when NOBODY in that community complained about it.

I'll say it, I am intolerant towards atheists who want to change the heritage of this nation.

Try to stay on topic or this tread will be closed:) I did write about having the Lords Prayer in a government building:
http://baconeatingatheistjew.b.....uncil.html

Why not sacrifice a chicken before the meetings start too and smear blood all over ones face?

Are you for real?

The Lord's prayer doesn't involve the slaughtering of an animal, or engaging in some sort of bloodlust.

You need to stop being so incredibly thin-skinned over the mere mention of God, and learn to accept the fact that most Canadians are not atheists/agnostics, whether you like it or not.

So far, you strike me as a profoundly intolerant and unreasonable person.



Even as a believing Jew in school, the Lords Prayer in school made me uncomfortable.
I hate to break it to you that a good chunk of Canadians aren't Christian.
And praying to a invisible being that has no evidence associated with him/her/it has no place in public.

Would it be OK to chant "there is no God" while someone is reciting the Lords prayer or Praise Allah when the Lords Prayer is being chanted?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like the Lord's prayer back in school.

The fact is 75% (3/4) of Canadians are Christian.

LET CHRISTIANITY REIN FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theatheistjew wrote:
Triple_R wrote:
theatheistjew wrote:
westmanguy wrote:
I know I get absolutely livid when I hear stories on the news where a atheist-secular group goes to Napanee Ontario to try to stop the Lord's prayer at the Council meeting...

...Even when NOBODY in that community complained about it.

I'll say it, I am intolerant towards atheists who want to change the heritage of this nation.

Try to stay on topic or this tread will be closed:) I did write about having the Lords Prayer in a government building:
http://baconeatingatheistjew.b.....uncil.html

Why not sacrifice a chicken before the meetings start too and smear blood all over ones face?

Are you for real?

The Lord's prayer doesn't involve the slaughtering of an animal, or engaging in some sort of bloodlust.

You need to stop being so incredibly thin-skinned over the mere mention of God, and learn to accept the fact that most Canadians are not atheists/agnostics, whether you like it or not.

So far, you strike me as a profoundly intolerant and unreasonable person.



Even as a believing Jew in school, the Lords Prayer in school made me uncomfortable.


Then you need to grow up, to be rather frank with you. It's called respecting, and tolerating, the harmless aspects of the predominant culture and beliefs of the land.

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I hate to break it to you that a good chunk of Canadians aren't Christian.


I'm well aware of that. However, if the majority want a harmless ceremonial practice to continue then let it continue.

I would say that actual political policy should not be rooted in religious viewpoints, but to be concerned with such ceremonial aspects like you are... that's rather petty, in my view.

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And praying to a invisible being that has no evidence associated with him/her/it has no place in public.


How could you possibly know if the existence of God has evidence for it or not? Are you omnescient? Have you read every argument in favour of the existence of God that is out there?

Your statement is very arrogant, and my own life experiences are much to the contrary of it - I have seen evidence of the existence of God in my own life, and in events that my family has told me about.

Praying to God has plenty of place in public, as the majority of Canadians believe in God.

Stop being so closed-minded, hateful, and intolerant, AJ. There's no harm in public prayer.

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Would it be OK to chant "there is no God" while someone is reciting the Lords prayer or Praise Allah when the Lords Prayer is being chanted?


Of course not, as this would create chaos for the entire scene.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hypocrisy here is mind numbing. We are not a Christian nation and we are not a white nation. We are not an English nation either. Yes, they are all majorities, but we are none of the above.

If someone wants to pray anywhere anytime, go right ahead. But it should not be part of the government. There should not be a time specified by the government for it either.

There is no argument for God that is acceptable. You make a claim that God exists, it is up to you to prove it. My claim is there is no evidence God exists. If you think that statement is wrong, lets see the evidence.

The Lords Prayer is offensive to me if done by my government in a government building. If I see it being done, it would be equally offensive for my to yell over it, and state "there is no evidence God exists" or "praise Allah" or "Christ probably never existed"

If you are offended by any of those statements to be uttered by government workers in a government building in an organized fashion and still think the Lords prayer would be acceptable, you are a raving hypocrite.
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