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Riley W





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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:25 pm    Post subject: Youth and Political Ideology Reply with quote

Well, when I was in my low teens (11-13) I was pretty Liberal. I thought Trudeau was great, and watched CBC News that National.

I was your typical Liberal youth.

Then when I emmersed myself into the political world at around age 14, I read and read and read different opinions, and developed my conservatism I have now.

So my question is: Is are youth Liberal? And is it just due to ignorance?

The hippie generation hasn't killed Conservatism..

Which leaves me to ponder, does Conservatism come with experience and older age?

Do normal citizens start off Liberal and begin to grow into Conservative stances?

Thats sort of how I see it.

As a 19 year old I have so many Liberal-minded friends....ALL that don't have a clue whats going on in the political world. Which leads me to my ignorance factor.

Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Youth and Political Ideology Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
So my question is: Is are youth Liberal? And is it just due to ignorance?

It's more than ignorance... but "real life" experience is the solution.

Most young people spend their days in school, where unionized teachers take advantage of their positions to brainwash as much socialism as they can into each generation. They've been doing this since Trudeau introduced his "Just Society" and there is no mechanism to prevent teachers from doing so. It usually gets worse when they go to university...

As young people leave their parents' protection and start making their own way, they usually learn that the concepts espoused by socialists are unrealistic.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spot on, Mac. Despite my youth and lack of children, I'm concerned about the institutional biases in public education (secondary and post-) as well. I was lucky in my own college experience to enroll in programs of study where the faculty and student base were generally centre-right. It was always interesting to hear the complaints and stories of the less fortunate souls attending a neighbouring university.

From my own personal observations, I would suggest the indoctrination can be partially off-set by involving children in organized group activities outside of school (such as sports, Cadet programs, Scouts ...etc.) or employment. Youth in such an environment quickly learn how strong individual efforts combine to create a better whole, will see exceptional work rewarded with promotions / acknowledgements, and will also feel the negative impact of non-contributors and coat-tail riders...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent point about the extra-curricular activities teaching those same, valuable lessons. My son is in Army Cadets and my daughter is a competitive track & field athlete. Both have seen the results of their efforts rewarded... and both have seen the results of non-effort by others... Plus I'm always willing to discuss current events with them, including politics...

-Mac
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Canadian Cadet Movement is great! I was involved for years as an Air Cadet, and now as an occasional Civilian Instructor, which is why I mentioned it specifically :P Its amazing to see young children, even some with all sorts of behavioural issues, develop into strong, capable leaders and team players as they progress through the program. The lessons and experience your son gains will serve him well for the rest of his life, especially with your good parenting.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF_Canuck wrote:
The Canadian Cadet Movement is great! I was involved for years as an Air Cadet, and now as an occasional Civilian Instructor, which is why I mentioned it specifically :P Its amazing to see young children, even some with all sorts of behavioural issues, develop into strong, capable leaders and team players as they progress through the program. The lessons and experience your son gains will serve him well for the rest of his life, especially with your good parenting.

I offered my son the choice of Army, Navy or Air Cadets and he chose Army. The local Corps is the 2812 Seaforth Highlanders. This is his third year and he's a Master Corporal but will be applying to be a Sergeant soon. My nieces and nephews all went through Air Cadets in the Maritimes.

My daughter was interested in the Cadets, mainly because her brother enjoyed it so much (she's two years younger) but when I offered her only Air and Sea so she wouldn't be competing with her brother at Army, she decided to stick with Track & Field which is fine by me.

I owe it to my parents to pay forward the good parenting they gave me. My kids are their legacy (and mine) so it's important to give them the skills they need to succeed.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know why many kids, espicially people my age, are Liberal or Socialists. I'm one of the only one's who is a Conservative out of my peers. Maybe it's because they don't care about politics, most of them can't even name our current Prime Minister yet alone any of the others! It's a bit sad actually. I remember asking one of my friends what she thought of Dalton and the first thing she said was "Who?" and so I told her it was our Premier and she said "Oh, well he's doing pretty good." No clue about how he lied about not raising taxes and the like.

But it also could be the Liberal/Socailist teachers running our schools. I know my History teacher likes to praise McGuinty nonstop and badmouth Harris and Harper every chance she gets. Also a big Trudeau lover I find. Maybe it's the Liberal parents. I was luckily enough to be raised by a Conservative who likes to talk politics and other issues with me. It's sad though to be the only 15 year old in my school who follows poitics. :P
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know I remember when my father started discussing politics with me I was about 15. I played Div 1 soccer and my practices were an hour drive from where I grew up.
We would listen to the re runs of Lowell Greene on the radio and he would ask me my opinion, I would typically answer in simplistic, eutopian liberal scocialist flavour. Then he would ask "What about this and that".
I remember 1 day commenting on unions and on how great they were and he pressed me on manufacturing, private research and development for the whole ride there and back.
That is what I will do when I have kids. Make them think critically and if they become a lefty well so be it. Then again if you are thinking critically its hard to be a lefty.
Then I would give my teachers a hard time in class when they spoke lefty and challenged them on their ideas. Some gave up, some listened and some shrugged me off as a dumb kid. But in the end I made my own opinions.

In short force your kids to read and think past the headlines and they will be ok!
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