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Michael





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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:24 am    Post subject: North American Union/SPP Reply with quote

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In the face of mounting public awareness and criticism, the Bush Administration is launching an offensive to claim that those arguing issues of NAFTA Super-Highways, a North American Union, or a new currency called the “Amero” are largely Internet conspiracy theorists whose claims should be dismissed as imaginary.

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Does anyone know about the SPP? What are some opinions?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never heard of it. Like the story where you obviously got the quote from suggests, such things are purely internet conspiracy theories.
Michael





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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The quote is from an article by Jerome Corsi, published in Human Events Online. Both are conservative, credible and respected.

The jist of the SPP is that Canada, Mexico and the US would have a common security perimeter and economy. There have been a host of cabinet level discussions, "trilateral memoranda of understanding,” “mutual agreements,” and other “frameworks of common principles,” with the goal of implementing this by 2010.

Here is link to the US government site. Here is a link to the Mexican government site. And here is a link to the Canadian government site.

Meanwhile, there is a push for a common currency, the Amero.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Integration talks kept in the dark
The Calgary Herald
Thurs 21 Sep 2006
Page: A22
Byline: Maude Barlow

While the media were busy obsessing over rumours of a budding romance
between Condoleezza Rice and Peter MacKay last week, a more significant
relationship was developing behind closed doors.

Away from the spotlight, from Sept. 12 to 14, in Banff Springs, Minister of
Public Safety Stockwell Day and Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor met with
U.S. and Mexican government officials and business leaders to discuss North
American integration at the second North American Forum.

According to leaked documents, the guest list included such prominent
figures as U.S. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Mexican Secretary of
Public Security Eduardo Medina Mora and Canadian Forces chief General Rick
Hillier, although we have no final confirmation of attendees.

The event was chaired by former U.S. secretary of state George Schultz,
former Alberta premier, Peter Lougheed and former Mexican finance minister
Pedro Aspe.

Despite the involvement of senior North American politicians, organizers did
not alert the media about the event. To make it worse, our government will
not be issuing a public statement and refuses to release any information
about the content of the discussions or the actors involved.

Day's office has been telling journalists that it cannot comment on the
minister's private meeting and that journalists should understand this. So
much for accountability.

The event was organized by the Canadian Council of Chief Executives - the
elite club of Canada's richest CEOs - and the Canada West Foundation, an
Alberta think-tank that promotes, among other things, closer economic
integration with the United States.

The focus of the event was on North American security and prosperity. Not
surprisingly, this included topics such as "A North American Energy
Strategy," "Demographic and Social Dimensions of North American Integration"
and "Opportunities for Security Co- operation" - all topics where the public
interest is at odds with that of big business elites.

Unfortunately meetings like this are now commonplace.

Since Paul Martin, Vicente Fox and George W. Bush signed the
Security and Prosperity Partnership in March 2005, discussions on
continental integration have gone underground.


The media have paid little attention to this far-reaching agreement, so
Canadians are unaware that a dozen working groups are currently
"harmonizing" Canadian and U.S. regulations on everything from food to drugs
to the environment and even more contentious issues like foreign policy.

Make no mistake, this process of harmonization is not about improving food,
environmental and other norms; it is about priming North America for better
business by weakening the impacts of such perceived obstacles as
environmental standards and labour rights.


This is why the public has been kept in the dark while the business elite
has played a leading role in designing the blueprint for this more
integrated North America. In fact, they have been the driving force.

In June this year, their power was formalized when our governments created
the North American Competitiveness Council (NACC), an advisory committee
comprised of representatives from the largest corporations in North America
including Wal-Mart, Chevron, General Motors, Lockheed Martin, Suncor and
others.

Their goal is to make North America more competitive globally, which means
weakening our government's ability to regulate industry, protect the
environment or our social safety net.

Lockheed Martin's Ron Covais's statement to Maclean's magazine earlier this
month about the role of the NACC was quite revealing:

"The guidance from the ministers was, tell us what we need to do and we'll
make it happen."

Sadly, we the public are not informed of what big businesses are telling our
ministers to do.

The NACC met in Washington on Aug. 15 to discuss its priorities, but we have
very little information about what was said as it was not reported anywhere
in the press.

For Canadians, developments on energy will be crucial.

The U.S. administration, anxious to keep up with its country's high energy
demands, has shown great interest in this "secure" energy source located
just north of its border.
With corporations like Suncor involved, energy was
an important item of discussion at the Banff meeting last week.

Given the detrimental impacts of oil sand extraction on our environment and
given that Canada currently exports 66 per cent of its oil (primarily to the
U.S.) while importing 55 per cent of what we use domestically from countries
like Algeria, Venezuela and Norway, it is alarming that Ottawa would discuss
a "North American Energy Strategy" with the U.S. and Mexico before
establishing a Canadian strategy that would ensure our ability to protect
the environment and ensure a secure energy supply for Canadians.

Though not as glamourous as the date between Peter and Condi, the media
should pay better attention to this marriage between our governments and big
corporations.

The Conservatives came to power on the promise to make government more
accountable. They need to be reminded that our government should be
accountable to the people of Canada - not just its business elite.

Maude Barlow is chairperson of the Council of Canadians and author of 15
books including Too Close for Comfort: Canada's Future within Fortress North
America.
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Council of Canadians - A Citizen’s Guide to Fighting Deep Integration

-FD
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it happened in Europe. If it works there long term there is no reason to think that no one else would ever try such a thing.
McGuire





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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A North American EU wouldn't be that bad an idea, provided it actually brought about increased standards in Mexico. I've always had concerns about our people who earn good wages have to compete against Mexican workers who make in a week, what Canadians make in an hour.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, now Maude Barlow has ruined for everyone. :wink:
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couldn't resist doing a bit on this editorial today...if I hadn't seen the byline, I would have thought for a while that it was a pro-integration piece...

http://commonsenseaintsocommon.....arlow.html
Mac





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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A common currency almost makes sense... since Mexico unofficially uses the USD for almost everything and the US is our biggest trading partner.

Under the Liberals, we all but depended on the Americans for security anyway so formalizing the arrangement would have been a formality. Somehow, I doubt the Conservatives are going to be willing to give up an ounce of our sovereignty for the sake of security.

-Mac
Michael





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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
Somehow, I doubt the Conservatives are going to be willing to give up an ounce of our sovereignty for the sake of security.


The SPP is moving forward with Harper's full support.
gebhartj





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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I'm a fan of closer integration. I'd like to see a customs & immigration union between Canada and the US, permitting people to freely cross the border and work in either country without any hastles.

I would never propose the full EU model! The simple fact that the EU Parliament can overrule national governments is not a good thing, and thankfully, the US would never go for it!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will happen the next time a Democrat wins in the states and a Conservative wins in Canada.
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