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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:29 am    Post subject: Ontario Race Heatens Up: Tories Could Take Over! Reply with quote

A new Ipsos Reid poll conducted Global Television finds that the Liberals under Dalton McGuinty have the support of 39% of Ontarians, while John Tory’s Progressive Conservatives are hot on their trail with the support of 36% of Ontarians.

The New Democratic Party under Howard Hampton has the support of 17% of Ontarians, while support for the Green Party under Frank de Jong is holding steady at 7%.

So thats

* Liberals 39%
* Conservatives 36%
* NDP 17%
* Green 7%

Analysis By Region…

The race is even tighter in the Greater Toronto Area. The Progressive Conservatives have the support of 39% of Ontarians living in the GTA, while the Liberals have the support of 38% of Ontarians living in the GTA.

* Outside of the GTA, the Liberals have a larger lead, with 39% indicating that they would support the Liberals, while the Tories have the support of 34%.

* In Central Ontario, the Liberals have 41% support, while the PCs have 36% support.

* In Eastern Ontario, the Liberal and Progressive Conservatives each have 39% support.

* In South-western Ontario, the Liberals have 38% support, while the PCs have 36% support.

* In Northern Ontario, the Progressive Conservatives are trailing far behind. The Liberals are in the lead with 38% support, with the New Democratic Party being in second-place at 32%. The Progressive Conservatives have the support of only 21% of Northern Ontarians.


Lets bring back the big blue machine to Ontario!

(I live in MB, btw, and am waiting to get rid of the NDP in 4-5 years...)

Surpisingly the Tories have the highest support in the GTA! Who would of thought?

Most people think the city is pretty Liberal, guess not!

Here's hoping for John Tory! (and he has the last name to boot!)

my interest is because its good to have as many RW or Progressive Conservative governments in the most provinces too make things easier at the top for Harper.

Were doing okay:

BC: BC Liberals in charge their, really - in BC - its between NDP and BC Libs. BC Libs are the furtherest to the right of the 2, + they are not related to the federal party, so thats our best situation in BC rate now.

Alberta: Progressive Conservative (may be that way forever!). Alberta usually just goes back and forth from different right wing parties. If the people their lose faith in the PC party, then the Alberta Alliance will rise up.

Saskatchewan: NDP rate now, it looks like the Saskatchewan Party is set to take over their (furthest to the right in that province's mainstream parties).

Manitoba: Well that election was in May, and another NDP Majority (3rd one), and it had more to do with Gary Doer's popularity than the actual party and policy. NDP is pretty centrist in MB though, as Manitobans are not generally that Liberal. After Gary leaves the helms in 4-5 years, I think the PC will take over their.

Ontario: election their in October, Tories should take over with a minority, or reduce the Libs to a minority.

Quebec: Lib. minority, with ADQ opposition, it will fall probably within 18 months, and we have a shot at a ADQ gov. their, and ADQ is the farthest to the right in Quebec politics

New Brunswick: Libs currently, in 4 years they could go back to PC.

PEI: Liberals

Nova Scotia: PC.

Newfoundland: PC, and will stay that way with the high popularity of Danny Williams, although he is a pain in the Harper's side.

So with Sask and Ontario coming up, and Quebec in a minority, we could see 7/10 of the provinces have to the right governments.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although some Atlantic provinces have Liberal governments, the Liberals on the east coast are sometimes more right-wing than the PCs.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Although some Atlantic provinces have Liberal governments, the Liberals on the east coast are sometimes more right-wing than the PCs
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It would be nice if some of these provincial parties would change their names to the Conservative Party of Ontario, B.C, Aberta, etc. Then we would know were they stand idealogically(rightwing).
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alot of people don't realize the BC Liberals are right wing.

the term Liberal for a RW party confuses people.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ontario PC's and Liberals have seemed to be polling neck and neck for well over a year now. Hopefully once voters start thinking about the election a bit more we'll see John Tory pull away from the pack. I would definitely like to see both of the potential governing parties do more for Northern Ontario though in terms of funding and job creation.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the term Liberal for a RW party confuses people.


True Liberalism is rightwing. Just ask Ignatieff.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
Alot of people don't realize the BC Liberals are right wing.

the term Liberal for a RW party confuses people.

Ummm, no. The BC Liberals were centrist during their first mandate but they've moved back to the left. The NDP which they replaced were leftist to the point of incapacitation... which explains why Dosanjh fits so nicely with the FedLibs. The last moderately right wing government in BC was VanDerZalm's Social Credit crowd.

The parameters for right, centre and left have been rather severely skewed to the left in Canada of late. Blame it on 13+ years of FedLib governments.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ontario needs another Mike Harris before I'll consider moving back. The cost of living is clearly lower in Alberta (that is so long as you bought a house before the prices went through the roof).
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The parameters for right, centre and left have been rather severely skewed to the left in Canada of late. Blame it on 13+ years of FedLib governments.

-Mac


It is certainly not the fault of 13+ years of Fed Lib government. Those years of liberal rule were the outcomes of 13+ years of conservative infighting between the reds/social progressives and small c conservatives.

That fight was a direct result of Brian Mulroney's lack of conservatism and his pandering to Quebec.

Not much different than what we see Mr. Harper and his new version PCPC currently doing in an attempt to win a majority.

The public in general sees absolutely no difference ideologically or philosophically between the Liberals and the new PCPC, hence we see no clear choice in polls and always a minority government.

We will see this as long as our partisan political parties bow to the whims of the latest polls or fads pushed by the MSM and the establishment. We will see this as long as our partisan political parties continue to lack leadership and vision.

But change is afoot due only to a few individuals that are willing to act as leaders and put forth ideas for discussion. The people will re-take charge of their governments and elect true leaders and true representatives.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Ontario PC's and Liberals have seemed to be polling neck and neck for well over a year now. Hopefully once voters start thinking about the election a bit more we'll see John Tory pull away from the pack. I would definitely like to see both of the potential governing parties do more for Northern Ontario though in terms of funding and job creation.


John Tory and the Ont Pc Party will not win the next election. The reason is simple; John Tory is more liberal than the liberal.

He has constantly blamed Mike Harris for gangs using guns in crimes. he has called for more gun control. He has stated publicly that he cannot promise to lower taxes which also means he cannot promise not to raise taxes.

He has publicly stated he likes almost all of Dalton's programs but he (Tory) is a true leader and would be better at managing these liberal programs.

everyone has to give their heads a shake. There is absolutely no difference between Tory and Dalton. A liberal and a liberal hiding under the cloak of being a conservative leader is still a choice between liberalism and more liberalism.

It is time to look at other parties and really shake the mainstream partisan poltiical parties up. It is simple do not vote for any of the mainstream partisan parties. Look to place your vote in the alternative parties and hopefully one or two good representatives of the people will finally be elected.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it does not sound like much of a recipe for success. You have to offer voters a legitimate choice, not simply Liberal or the Not Liberal choice. How many times will this experiment have to be repeated before people figure out that the 900 previous results were not a fluke?

Mulroney offered a clear choice, different ideas, a new direction. He won a landslide. No one seems willing to try that experiment again.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Ontario Race Heatens Up: Tories Could Take Over! Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
Alberta: Progressive Conservative (may be that way forever!). Alberta usually just goes back and forth from different right wing parties. If the people their lose faith in the PC party, then the Alberta Alliance will rise up.


There's whispers of an election in Alberta this fall; which would make sense, as Stelmach would do well to get a mandate for himself. However, the loss of Calgary-Elbow to the Liberals might make the PCs think twice.

Unfortunately for conservatives, the right-wing alternatives to the PCs are fractured and factionalized; not only the Alliance (which is a registered party with an MLA) but also the new "Wildrose Party" which is trying to get registered, and the lingering Social Credit Party all have staked out much of the same few inches of dirt.

Albertans are pretty apathetic, politically, right now. The byelections back in June didn't show a big shift towards the Alliance (actually, the opposite) nor did the vote go for the Liberals - however, the PC's vote completely collapsed. Most people opted to stay home. The only party that benefits from the apathy and the factionalization on the right, are the Alberta Liberals - who are frantically (and, to some extent, successfully) trying to paint themselves as being unlike the Federal Liberals.

They're the only one positioned to make gains; thankfully, Kevin Taft is not Laurence Decore. If the Liberals did manage to get a new leader with "pull" in Calgary, then the PCs would be in serious trouble. Paging Dave Bronconnier....
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason they are apathetic, is because there is not much difference between the Stelmach PCs, and the Liberal party. Why bother to vote if you choice is between 6, or a half dozen? What is there to get excited, or angry about?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
The reason they are apathetic, is because there is not much difference between the Stelmach PCs, and the Liberal party. Why bother to vote if you choice is between 6, or a half dozen? What is there to get excited, or angry about?


The reason they're apathetic is because the times are good; the general election in 2004 had very low turnout, as well.

Unfortunately, Alberta's history has shown that political apathy peaks when people are content or otherwise distracted by the good times - and that the push for change happens when things start to sour. Such as the shift which brought Social Credit into government in the 1930s, and the very Alberta-centred motion which founded the Reform Party in the mid-80s.

And while the Stelmach PCs and the Alberta Liberals may not have a whole lot of difference, the Liberals are trying to bring attention to issues such as the democratic deficit and free-spending habits of the PCs. They're proposed more accountability in government and independence for the Provincial Auditor-General; more public funding for Opposition parties in the Ledge; a regimented savings plan for the Heritage Trust; and so on. All pretty populist things - referencing my earlier comment about their attempts to paint themselves as non-relations to the federal Liberal Party.

I have no faith, however, that the Liberals would be much different nor better should they come to power....
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What it looks like they're doing is positioning themselves as the small-c conservative party in Alberta, cuz gawd knows the PC's aren't. It's been done before, Liberals doing this. The most small-c conservative premier in Atlantic Canada in my lifetime has been Frank McKenna
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