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| truth4freedom wrote: |
The line has to be drawn somewhere, we just disagree on where to draw it. Would you de criminalize cocaine? |
Yes I agree and no I would not! |
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Craig
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| gc wrote: | | In other words, he had at least five years to turn himself in, but chose not to. |
I don't think he is arguing that pot users should turn themselves in. If they get caught, however, he thinks they should be punished. Somehow I think that if truth4freedom had been caught he would have acknowledged he was wrong. Suggesting that because he doesn't think people should voluntarily turn themselves for drug use and therefore he can't oppose its legalization is a non sequitur.
If I committed murder I would not turn myself in. But I would still think murder should be illegal. |
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gc
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Craig wrote:
I don't think he is arguing that pot users should turn themselves in. If they get caught, however, he thinks they should be punished.
That doesn't make much sense. truth4freedom believes that people who smoke pot deserve to be punished, but he doesn't think that he deserves to be punished (if he thought he deserved to be punished, he would have turned himself in). Let's put it this way, would you want murderers to turn themselves in or do you think only those murderers who get caught deserve to go to jail?
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If I committed murder I would not turn myself in. But I would still think murder should be illegal.
Chances are you would never commit murder in the first place because you know that it's wrong and deserves punishment. However, if you did murder someone and didn't turn yourself in, that would make you a hypocrite as well. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| gc wrote: | | truth4freedom believes that people who smoke pot deserve to be punished, but he doesn't think that he deserves to be punished |
I don't smoke pot. I did smoke pot and It would have been good for me to have been busted at that time.
| gc wrote: | | (if he thought he deserved to be punished, he would have turned himself in). |
Which I didn't think it was wrong at that time and therefore did not turn myself in. Once I stopped smoking pot because I viewed it as wrong and stupid why would I turn myself in for something I no longer did?
| gc wrote: | | Let's put it this way, would you want murderers to turn themselves in or do you think only those murderers who get caught deserve to go to jail? |
There you go comparing smoking pot to murder again. :roll:
You are wasting time making circular arguments, hasty generalizations, and extreme comparisons that have no real life application. I'm done... |
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Craig
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| gc wrote: | | However, if you did murder someone and didn't turn yourself in, that would make you a hypocrite as well. |
No it wouldn't. We've all made mistakes. Our views change as we age. He didn't think it was wrong then but does now. It is not hypocritical just because your views change over time. You need to get off his back with this crap. |
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Craig
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | That doesn't make much sense. truth4freedom believes that people who smoke pot deserve to be punished, but he doesn't think that he deserves to be punished |
It really is a silly argument you are making. If I stole a shirt from a store as a kid you are suggesting that now, as an adult, I can't oppose shoplifting because I have yet to turn myself in.
Truth4freedom realizes the damage that drugs do because he did them and he wants them to be illegal so that others won't make the same mistake he did.
PS. I accidentally edited your post. I meant to click on the "quote" button but unknowingly hit "edit". I tried to repair it. Sorry. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | wants them to be illegal so that others won't make the same mistake he did. |
making pot illegal will certainly lower the number of people who deal.... :roll: |
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gc
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Craig wrote: |
No it wouldn't. We've all made mistakes. |
Why does that logic apply to dealing pot, but not to murder or assault? |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Craig wrote: | | If I stole a shirt from a store as a kid you are suggesting that now, as an adult, I can't oppose shoplifting because I have yet to turn myself in. |
Depends, do you think kids should be punished for shoplifting? If you do, that would make you a hypocrite. I'm not saying you can't oppose shoplifting by kids, I'm just saying that it would make you a hypocrite.
It would be one thing if you were five years old when you shoplifted, because most people would agree that five year old kids should not be punished for shoplifting. However, if you were a teenager, for example, then it would be hypocritical for you to suggest that teenagers should be punished for something you did yourself. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| gc wrote: | | Craig wrote: |
It does in the USA and he is American so the comparison is not valid. |
Link?
Anyways, I'm not sure about the U.S., but in Canada a person can still be charged after the time limit expires if they choose so, and truth4freedom could still be charged if he thinks that he deserves it. So, he still needs to explain why he doesn't think he deserves to go to jail. The closest he has come to doing so is to say that he is a different person now, but that same argument could apply to murderers, rapists, etc. |
Canada does not have a statute of limitations. Therefore there is no time limit for serious criminal offenses. The only limitation in Canada is for less serious offenses (6 months).
I'm not quite sure what time limit you are referring to when you mention "but in Canada a person can still be charged after the time limit expires if they choose so" because if it is a less serious offense, that is not true. If it is a serious criminal offense, then there is no time limit.
The only question in my mind is if possession of marijuana qualifies as a serious criminal offense or not. |
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Craig
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| gc wrote: | | Depends, do you think kids should be punished for shoplifting? If you do, that would make you a hypocrite. |
No it wouldn't. A hypocrite is someone who acts in contradiction to their stated beliefs or feelings. I would be a hypocrite if I said I opposed shoplifting and then went and did it. I would NOT be a hypocrite if I shoplifted 20 years ago and today stated that I opposed it.
You are fighting an unwinnable battle. You have the english language against you. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Pot and cats don't mix. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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what you are saying is you can do whatever you want and if later you think its bs then you shouldnt be punished?
being someone who shoplifted and didnt get caught and is now pushing for harsh sentences for shoplifters would make you an ass, not a hypocrite anymore than those outed gay reps who find christ to beome hetro again or GWB who thinks people who do coke or draft dodge should go to jail
what is the time period on this? could I deal this moring and an hour later decide its bad and people besides me should be punished?
Truth for freedom claims it would have been good for him @ one point.
Yeah I am sure he would be much better off doing 5 years in American jail :roll:
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The only question in my mind is if possession of marijuana qualifies as a serious criminal offense or not. |
This depends on the amount and intent of the person carrying it. If one is in possession of the drug in any amount, with the intent to traffic, it is a dual-procedure offense and thus does not fall under the statute of limitations.
If the drug is possessed for personal use only, and exceeds either 30g of marihuana, or 1g of Cannabis resin, then it is also a dual-procedure offense (again, not subject to the statute of limitations).
Only possession without intent to traffic, of the drug in quantities less than those set out above, is a strictly summary conviction offense - meaning the statute of limitations applies in that case only. |
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Craig
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| FascistLibertarian wrote: | | what is the time period on this? could I deal this moring and an hour later decide its bad and people besides me should be punished? |
I don't understand your contention. I'm sure truth4freedom thinks that had he been caught he should have been punished. I don't think he is holding himself to a different standard. He wasn't caught. The statute of limitations has passed. He probably doesn't think other people who did dope 10 years ago should be punished. He thinks people, including himself, who do drugs today should be punished (if caught). It is a logical and consistent position.
Now stop calling other members of this website an "ass". It is childish and immature. |
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