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How should Ontario proceed with funding religious schools?
Fund ALL religion-based education institutes
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Fund NO religion-based education institutes
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Status Quo
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cosmostein





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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicklan wrote:
cosmostein wrote:
Let me decide where my taxes should go based upon where I want to send my kids.

If I want to send them to Private school then give me a tax credit,
If I want them to go to Public school send my tax dollars to that board,
If its Catholic or Jewish then so be it,

A monopoly on education is much like a monopoly on everything else, it creates an environment of the status quo.

Shore you can decide if Public school is good for your kids or not
you can decide to spend you money at a private school if you like also it is your money spend it as you please, but don't expect any tax credits for you private spending


The public system in Ontario in generally is not good for anyones kids when compared to that of nearly every private school in the Province,

Parents should be given the option as to where their tax dollars go if their child is within the system, forcing every child in a distract to go to a public school that may rank among the bottom 10 percentile as the only option within said distract is simply bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy, and does nothing but to hinder that child's education at the expense of the socialist "status quo".

If the Public system in this Province made an effort to assure that the standard or learning was somewhat similar within the halls and classrooms of each of its schools then perhaps you would not have thousands of parents looking to the Government for Alternatives,
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
I support John Tory's plan.

I do not support John Tory's plan.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what the poll would be like with the only two choices that reflect reality:

A) Status Quo (funding Catholic schools but not other religions)

and

B) Tory's plan


Getting rid of the Catholic school system in Ontario is a political non-starter.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How should Ontario proceed with funding religious schools?...

We shouldn't...we need total seperation of church and state...and soon. Regardless of whatever church it is, it needs to stay away from public education...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Tory's proposal is based on a silly premise. First, the reality is that in modern Ontario, Catholicism is the majority denomination thanks to immigration. Second, the Catholic schools in Ontario reflect the current multi-ethnic, multi-cultural and multi-racial composition of the province as much as do the public schools. The only "ethnic" group not in the Catholic school system, and the only one that whines about this issue is ta small fraction of the miniscule jewish population. If that's John's blue-print for an election victory, we might as well pack it in right now.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, thats a good question for everyone:

If its between Tory's plan and status quo what do you choose?

To me its about equality to all faiths.

What would be so bad about a denominational school system. Their could be a Catholic School, Baptist School, Anglican School, Evangelical school, etc...and secular school.

Secular school would then die out as parents move their kids into schools of their personal faith, and then secular schools would be shut down.

I think that would be great for Canada, and the revival of Christianity so many of us in Canada are praying for.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Catholicism is the majority denomination


At the reformation Christianity split into 2 paths, Catholicism and Protestantism. I think Ontario has more Protestants than Catholics. I thnik every province but Quebec has more Protestants.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is that how it works in Alberta? I love it!


Sorry, I was massively unclear with that last post.

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In Alberta schools, funding follows the student, meaning school boards recieve money per enrolled student. It would be a simple matter to expand this any school that meets certain basic criteria.

This currently applies to public, Catholic, and French immersion school boards, all of which are open to general public enrollment. Kids don't have to be Catholic, or French, to go to those schools.


Under the 'voucher' system(which is not in effect in any Canadian jurisdiction, AFAIK):

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Say each student is worth $3000. That pays for a spot at a public school, or might contribute towards tuition at a private school (religious or not) that costs $4500 - leaving the other $1500 up to the parents to provide if they want that option. Parents choosing to home school would recieve the $3000 as well, and put it towards the costs of education their child(ren). It seems pretty fair to me - every parent is paying education tax, why not allow them all the same benefit?


Sorry for the confusion.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
Ok, thats a good question for everyone:

What would be so bad about a denominational school system. Their could be a Catholic School, Baptist School, Anglican School, Evangelical school, etc...and secular school.

and moslem schools, and hindu schools and atheist schools .... :roll: Oh and then the hindu kids could learn all the reasons they should hate sihks and the christian kids could learn about the crusades and maybe have marches past the moslem kids who could toss out a few cheery bombs. I think you are on to something here westmanguy. :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

only Christian faith-based schools though.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Alberta, as a home owner, our taxes go to either the public or seperate school board. In our case because I am Catholic but my husband is not, they were going to split the taxes 50/50 even though our children go to the Catholic school. My husband had to sign a special document stating that he wanted our taxes to go to the Catholic schools. So, to all you posters thinking that the Catholic schools are taking all your tax dollars, think again, the advantage goes to the public schools, but their are enough Catholics that we can support our own schools.

It appears that the problem in Ontario is that the public schools are running a deficit, but the Catholic schools are not, therefore they want to get rid of the Catholic schools.Typical Liberal thinking, steal from the productive. I strongly oppose joining the schools as Catholic schools are way better than public schools, and I want my children to have the best education. I also like hearing them singing "Oh Canada" every morning, and saying prayers, neither would happen in a public school!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
only Christian faith-based schools though.

Ok imagine you are a candidate seeking office in a Toronto riding exactly how would you frame that argument in an all candidate debate without being laughed out of the room.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
Ok, thats a good question for everyone:

If its between Tory's plan and status quo what do you choose?

To me its about equality to all faiths.

What would be so bad about a denominational school system. Their could be a Catholic School, Baptist School, Anglican School, Evangelical school, etc...and secular school.

Secular school would then die out as parents move their kids into schools of their personal faith, and then secular schools would be shut down.

I think that would be great for Canada, and the revival of Christianity so many of us in Canada are praying for.


Just what we need... segregation.

As if that doesn't cause enough problems as it is. :roll:
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ravon wrote:
westmanguy wrote:
I support John Tory's plan.

I do not support John Tory's plan.


Tory's plan very well may have cost his party my vote...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have segregation now with the Catholic school; is anybody suggesting that Catholics don't fit into the mainstream because of it?

Remember, under the Tory plan, attendance at these schools would be voluntary. People could go to the regular public schools if they liked.
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