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TealTories





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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:35 am    Post subject: Plans for the next session in Parliment Reply with quote

Strategically speaking what do you think the Conservative government should go after in the session in parliment?

I will start off by saying, stay on course with being tough on crime.

The reason being is , its been in the media as of late and it appeals to all Canadians urban and rural. As well the liberals are weak on this issue.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say bring in a very VERY extensive crime reform bill.

Bring in a new sentence for murderers called:

Life WITHOUT PAROLE!!

Lets scrap the YCJA and get a new act in their ( this will win votes - especially in Winnipeg!)

And generally raises the minimum sentences for all crimes, and build a new prison.

Yeah, I really want to see a Conservative principled crime bill that will completely change the system.

I think he should continue pressuring the Senate to reform itself.

Also do a 360 on environment - accept us being forced back into Kyoto, and instead of funding all these programs, the Tories should introduce and extensive tax break program for environment friendly-products.

I know they did that with cars but lets expand it.

Exempt the GST, and give a tax break to manufactures of products that are good in the green-war.

This would encourage people to go green because it will be cheaper.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deep tax cuts.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some realities that Harper Inc will need to consider.

First, the opposition will not let anything get through committee, and the Senate will stop anything that manages to squeak through.

Second, if the Tories lose the Roberval and St. Hyacinthe by-elections, then we will be in a federal election by November/December. The opposition parties are not going to let Harper run around the country announcing and re-announcing budget goodies.

Therefore, the "new plan" almost has to be an election platform. If the polls remain stagnant through Labour Day, frankly, there is not much hope for a majority. So, design the platform to consolidate the base (i.e. core conservative principles) and try to eke out a minority victory somehow.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason the CPC is not doing better in the opolls is because they have pissed off their constituents. The have laid the ground work to appeal to centrists in the next election with their spend thrift budgets. Tax cuts will get the right back on board.

Give me back my taxes!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Plans for the next session in Parliment Reply with quote

TealTories wrote:
Strategically speaking what do you think the Conservative government should go after in the session in parliment?

I will start off by saying, stay on course with being tough on crime.

The reason being is , its been in the media as of late and it appeals to all Canadians urban and rural. As well the liberals are weak on this issue.



How about smart on crime instead of tough?
We have done tough for 82 years , why more jails?


Stop criminalizing people's weakness's ,
get back to protecting the stronger by removing the profit created by this stupid prohibitionistic attitude to your grand child's reefer experimentation.
Know that I told all of you some children are smoking cannabis soaked in RAID insecticide.
Those are some one's children every year entering jail for it. Thousands.
Yes , before one of yours is tossed into a jail where his or her esteem is further eroded and they may in fact give in to even trying cocaine or heroin in one of these jails.

The gateway drug is mothers milk , plain and simple. Or maybe the lack of it.
Either way you are deluded to think more violence is the answer. Yeah I know and I think you will figure it out.

Stop the insanity and hypocrisy in Canada in the next session. It would probably end Afghanistan as well.(its here somewhere)

Its a growing idea and myself as a representative of LEAP (leap.cc) believe it will happen at some point.

It was a conservative who ended America's Alcohol prohibition after all.

Alcohol is by far safer legal than illegal even if it to just exploits the weak and the marginalized. If it were illegal again would we have more crime or less?

No I would start addressing the cause of our crime.


I would also stop giving Canadian children Ritalin because as I have said here before , if you smoked it , it would then have to be called Chrystal meth. Sadly

Building prisons , eh?

That's so last century or even last millennium.
We can do better than that in my mind.

No offence but I have proof based on 16 years actually addressing the issue.

All it takes is sane spending ,,,,20,000 a year on affordable housing, treatment and education instead of 100,000 a year on jail.

quadruples police force effectiveness over night and cripples crime's cash cow just as quick.

I could put buckets of coke and heroin on every street corner,,would you touch it?

I know that and wonder why you still spend 32% of your tax's arming some to stop and jail the 1.3 % of the population that will always kill them selves with those substances.

Yes , while our elderly are short changed in our bankrupt medical system.


You would also win in Quebec instantly.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, so disagree.

Thats Liberal justice.

Thats rehabilitation.

Ick.......
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:29 am    Post subject: Re: Plans for the next session in Parliment Reply with quote

justice wrote:
We have done tough for 82 years , why more jails?


You've got to be kidding. We've done house arrest. We've done early parole. We've done suspended sentences. We've done porn and pizza parties in prisons.

We have NOT done tough by any stretch of the imagination. Turkish prisons and justice is tough. We coddle our CRIMINALS (i.e. people who can't be bothered to obey the law and usually hurt others in the process).
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Plans for the next session in Parliment Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
justice wrote:
We have done tough for 82 years , why more jails?


You've got to be kidding. We've done house arrest. We've done early parole. We've done suspended sentences. We've done porn and pizza parties in prisons.

We have NOT done tough by any stretch of the imagination. Turkish prisons and justice is tough. We coddle our CRIMINALS (i.e. people who can't be bothered to obey the law and usually hurt others in the process).




Turn yourself in Craig as we know everyone has done something wrong.
I am talking about victimless crime , non violent offences.
I have no problem with the death penalty for violent crimes although Mr bush and Mr Chaney wont come here for their justice.

Should someone still go to jail because they are gay?
Because they had sexual contact in a way that was against your church's laws?
No organization has killed more or been responsible for more death and destruction than organized religion and when their rapists are discovered a fine will do eh?

Your twisted moralistic views ? Or just a lack of insight into the real problems?
Some of you believe the homeless and mentally ill deserve jail.
Ignorance is bliss isn't it ?
If you have never been in jail you have no clue what it is really about.
Locking some one up has very little to do with it.

Ever jay walk? Speed on highways or have one too many beers?
Cheat on your tax's?
Turn yourself in criminals.
To the rest of you lucky liars , wait , I will also be pressing for mandatory drug tests for all public servants ,teachers and police.

It isn't the druggies on the street supporting the drug crime gangs ,,its your weekend hypocrites. Its the biggest business in the world and we cant all have our heads in the sand all the time.


If you do some research you will see what I am talking about. And if you don't it is understood as your kind has been spewing this kind of wrong opinion since well before your dinosaurs stopped doing drugs.

I will win and you all know it by now.

Look at history we don't kill witches anymore, we just put them on TV doing fox news.
No harm no foul.

As I said , I think we should drug test all public servants monthly and do lie detector tests on prison guards and police. I have a list of questions.

When we opened our drug treatment center 11 of 17 were doctors and dentists addicted to legal pharmaceuticals that have zero places to turn for help.
I never saw any drug treatment centers in jail.

One has practised medicine for 30 years addicted to heroin but as we all know they aren't addicts until they run out of drugs and never do if they are doctors.

We can treat them for pennies instead of paying bullies to satisfy some people twisted lack of humanity.

The world is getting smaller and soon we will all have the rights we were meant to have.

Maybe just go and kick your dog a couple of times and see if it becomes a better or worse dog.

Another idea is to stop the 2 tiered justice system by making white collar crime as important as weak no esteem type victimless drug experimentation ,,,, e-hem crime.

How about we jail those CEO's who are responsible for the Chinese poisons being found in our pancake batter instead of the kid with a joint.


Thanks for your view , remind me to not put you in charge of our weakest citizens as your views will not help to protect us.

And don't get all upset like I put you down ,,, I don't have protection here and cant just dis what you say like some others can. I disagree with your one dimensional view to do with crime.
Although I haven't had my legal drug , coffee yet and may seem a little rabid in my views ,,hmm just like some others.
Good morning all you compassionate types!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm...big debates about justice, eh?...alright, I've got something for you.

Liberals who say rehabilitate, not punish are wrong.

Conservatives who say punish, not rehabilitate are wrong.

What we need to be doing is stopping crime before it starts...we need to offer outlets for kids in gang infested areas, we need to get medical treatment for pedophiles and we need to make the most harsh sentences that can be passed down, harsher then "Life, no chance of parole...for 25 years..."

We need to protect the people before a crime occurs. No more of this "make 'em feel good" and no more of this "let em fry!"...we all need to be saying "Protection comes first!"

Hire more police, invest in community betterment programes and after school activites for kids. Let's make our streets safe again. We need to stop talking about what we're going to do after a crime is committed...we need to talk about stopping the crime from ever happening.

erl
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe in rehabilitation for victimless crimes and prevention, BUT, I believe crimes that have victims - and those crimes are severe - deserve no rehabilitation but card hold time.........or death penalty (that will never happen now though after Trudeau`s Charter)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Health Care. It used to be an important issue, I don't know why it has all of a sudden taken a back seat. A lot of Canadians don't think the Conservatives are doing enough for wait times. I expect they will focus more on this soon?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Health Care. It used to be an important issue, I don't know why it has all of a sudden taken a back seat. A lot of Canadians don't think the Conservatives are doing enough for wait times. I expect they will focus more on this soon?


It's an important issue, but its almost a no-win for the CPC. The best they can hope for is to specifically target wait times and score a few reductions. The other parties will only promise more and more funding and to uphold the Canada Health Act, and would block any attempt at actual changes to the system.
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