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FascistLibertarian





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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:16 am    Post subject: Secularism and being objective Reply with quote

I really have to say, I hope that Turkey stays secular. I really dislike religious states.
I have nothing against politicians who are religious but I dislike religious politicians.
For example I have nothing against scientists who are feminists or Christians.
But I really dislike Christian scientists or feminist psychologists.
These are just my views (kinda along the same lines as Robert J Sawyer if any of you all are into good Canadian SciFi).
A person who is a politician or a scientist should put their job first and religion second when they are doing their job (on their time off of course they can do whatever they want within the law).
If you put your religion/race/gender/sexual orientation first than you lose your objectivity, I very strongly believe this. I do not care if your a black gay jewish women as long as you are a politican FIRST.
When scientists do this it is fine (even though I do not like it) because you do not have to take their work seriously, they are already working from a predetermined worldview and forcing their findings to fit this, you can just dismiss what they find. Politicians especially should be above this because they have far more impact.
So I really hope Turkey does not become an Islamic state because the last thing this world needs is another dogmatic religious state which views every issue subjectively.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will but majority of Turkish are deeply religious and their government is formed by Islamists.

The Islamism has deep roots in that society
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So does secularism.
Mustafa Kamal was a great man (although he killed alot of our allies at gallipoli).
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure hope thay stay free...mabey then there can be one rational government in the middle east. With all these fundimentalists sneaking their way into power over there, the entire region will go to hell soon...

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there is Israel which is a free democracy. Lebanon would be if they could get out from under Syria and Iran. Very slim pickings in the rational government department though, to be sure.
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