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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:32 am    Post subject: Federal Conservatives seek a new "nationalist" par Reply with quote

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Federal Conservatives look to Quebec election for new nationalist partner
DANIEL LEBLANC PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER
OTTAWA
PUBLISHED AUGUST 19, 2018
UPDATED 13 HOURS AGO
The Conservative Party of Canada will officially stay neutral in the upcoming Quebec election, but is finding it has a lot in common with the centre-right party that is currently the favourite to form the next government of the province.

A few days before Thursday’s official campaign launch, and weeks out from the Oct. 1 election, the Coalition Avenir Québec (CAQ) is leading in the polls with a nationalist agenda and plans for revamped relations with the rest of Canada. In particular, the CAQ is calling for new powers in the fields of immigration and culture, as well as greater say over infrastructure spending in the province.

The Conservative Party, under the leadership of Andrew Scheer, has picked up on a number of the CAQ’s proposals to tailor the platform it will present to Quebec voters in the 2019 federal election. It seems there would be a natural alliance to be formed between the CAQ and the CPC on a number of issues.

Quebec politics are inherently different than those in other provinces. There is no official link between the Liberal Party of Canada and the Quebec Liberal Party, and the provincial versions of the Conservative Party or NDP are not well entrenched in the province. The provincial Parti Québécois and the federal Bloc Québécois have long operated in sync, but the Bloc is facing another existential crisis and the PQ has underperformed in recent polls.

The CAQ, meanwhile, is a relatively new party that has attracted key players from a variety of political backgrounds, including the Bloc, Liberal and Conservative parties. After finishing in third place in the 2014 Quebec election, the CAQ is heading into the October election leading in the polls, with a particular strength among the francophone electorate.

A former Parti Québécois minister and sovereigntist, CAQ Leader François Legault now wants to govern Quebec within the federal framework, albeit with a nationalist agenda. The party will not hold a third referendum on sovereignty, but will try to win new powers from the federal government.

“We have a pragmatic and step-by-step approach. We want Quebec to make gains,” CAQ MNA Simon Jolin-Barrette said in an interview. “If, on Oct. 1, Quebeckers support the CAQ’s nationalist project, it will send a very clear message to Ottawa that they want greater autonomy and power inside the Canadian federation.”

There is an obvious connection between the CAQ’s key demands and the positions adopted by the federal Conservative Party as part of its Quebec strategy. Under Mr. Scheer, the Conservative Party would negotiate a deal under which the Quebec revenue agency would oversee the collection of federal income taxes in the province, and would be open to transferring more power to the province in the cultural sector.

Mr. Scheer’s Quebec lieutenant, Conservative MP Alain Rayes, said the provincial election will likely demonstrate how a majority of Quebeckers support a fiscally responsible approach to government and balanced budgets. In next year’s federal election, he said, the Conservative Party of Canada will look to attract the same voters that will have supported the CAQ, the Quebec Liberal Party and the Conservative Party of Quebec on Oct. 1.

“The provincial election will give us a clear sense of what is our potential electorate,” Mr. Rayes said in an interview.

The Liberal Party of Canada will officially be neutral in the October election. Some Liberal MPs may campaign with their provincial counterparts, but Liberal ministers and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau are expected to sit on the sidelines.

“The citizens of the riding will make their choice. For my part, I am willing to work with anybody,” federal Infrastructure Minister François-Philippe Champagne, who represents a riding in Quebec, told reporters this summer.

For the NDP, the race offers an opportunity for progressive voters in Quebec to express their views regardless of their constitutional position.

“It’s the first election in a long time in which the main debate will not pit federalists against sovereigntists,” said NDP MP Guy Caron, who will be neutral in the election. “It will be interesting to see how Quebeckers react to a debate between the left and the right, between progressives and conservatives.”
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-federal-conservatives-look-to-quebec-election-for-new-nationalist/


Do you think Bernier could play a role in this? Are you kidding? The Milk Marketing Board of Quebec would never stand for that!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If François Legault wins, the direction he will take the province is one we haven't seen since the Union Nationale days.

The Federal Conservatives would be smart to line up behind like policy especially if Legault wins a strong majority.

The Tories under Harper did very well leaning on the old ADQ to secure strong candidates and good grassroots infrastructure, if they could continue that with the CAQ they may find themselves well positioned come next October.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Conservative Convention 2018 primer: Here's what to expect
Andrew Scheer wins Conservative leadership

Rachel Aiello, Ottawa News Bureau Online Producer
Published Monday, August 20, 2018 10:38AM EDT

OTTAWA -- Conservative Party members from across Canada will convene in Halifax on Thursday to plot their campaign strategy and vote on potential policy.

The three-day gathering on the East Coast will be the party’s final convention before the 2019 election, and Andrew Scheer’s first as leader. There, attendees will hear from him about the direction he plans to take the party.

Party faithful will have multiple chances to liaise with each other, and Conservative newcomers, to start building volunteer bases in ridings nationwide. It’s also an opportunity to interact with members of the federal caucus on key issues.

Emcees for the weekend will be Deputy Conservative Leader Lisa Raitt and New Brunswick lawyer and past leadership debate moderator Monica Barley.

"We’ll be putting forward ideas that will shape the future of our country, and help our party, helping us set the course for 2019," Scheer said in a video to supporters encouraging them to chip in hundreds of dollars to be a part of the three-day event.

Despite the party’s best-laid plans, one dissident MP, Maxime Bernier, and his ongoing social media discourse is sure to take some of the focus away from party unity, a year away from the Conservatives’ next best chance to regain power. [....]
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/conservative-convention-2018-primer-here-s-what-to-expect-1.4059808


Bernier ... a 'loser' in the leadership by less than 1% -- is now a distraction? And not 1% of the actual votes, but 1% of the weighted 'points' ...

Bernier is the Conservative Party's best access to conservative Quebec voters. At this moment in history, he is an asset of great value. I think he's going to be a factor whether Scheer likes it or not.

All the other crap is just the planners letting the 'membership' in on what their plans are. Most of the decisions have been made, in as far as they can be made. The idea of collaboration is a pretence. It's more about reading the mood and the willingness to finance.

Where are the exciting people that were once in the leadership race? Remember the enthusiasm the thought of a Bernier/O'Leary tandem in the leadership stirred?

The gray people have taken over. Shut up and sit down.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way the winds are blowing ...

This is a nice video of a rally Trudeau held in in a small-town in Quebec. It involves the incident where he calls a French-speaking Canadian a racist and says she has "no place here'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtLObBHGbdM

The issue she asks about is the same one Doug Ford asked about -- how is the federal government going to cover the costs of their magnanimity or will they stiff the provinces? The issue is most pointed in Quebec because that is where most of the illegals land in Canada.

We see how it works, how Trudeau yammers on with boilerplate about tolerance while 'the beef' shows up and twists her arm to get her to leave.

Trust me, those questions that the woman put -- about money, and implicitly, about the security of the illegal immigrant route -- occur to others who lack the courage to take this kind of drubbing in front of their neighbours. Half the crowd cheers, but another part of it starts talking amongst themselves.

It wlll only grow.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This particular incident aside;

Going down the road of declaring anyone who has issues and concerns with immigration a xenophobe or a racist is a dangerous road to go down.

Nations are defined by borders and any borders usually have rules associated with them in order to cross them. This isn't a new or novel concept, its the basis of citizenship.

The idea that you can simply attempt to shout down this concept and feel you are going to shame voters because they disagree with you is lazy policy. Actually its not even policy, its too lazy even for that.

Ottawa is trying to mask is utter lack of preparation or even policy in a blanket of rhetoric.

For all the nonsense that has fired back and forth
John Tory raised a very valid concern;

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Mayor John Tory announced that the number of refugee claimants in the city’s shelter system has quadrupled from 459 per night in 2016 to an average of 2,351 in 2018


https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/de-facto-amnesty-a-look-at-the-daunting-reality-of-canadas-migrant-crisis

This is not uniquely a Toronto issue,
Toronto doesn't have the resources to address this and nor should they because this is squarely a Federal Government issue,

So what's the plan?
Ottawa could save a lot of this nonsense if they actually addressed some of the local and Provincial Governments concerns much earlier.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it's a dangerous strategy to throw the slur of "racist" at your opposition ... the reason? It has a short shelf-life.

Trudeau's response to the 'heckler' was likely calculated. His lines seem prepared for just such an occasion. The problem is -- the question was about financing and was entirely legitimate. It isn't so easily dismissed as racist. The heckler has a point.

I think Trudeau means to face down his opposition on all of these "Social Justice" issues in this way. Which means -- he can be predictably triggered into repetitions of this performance.

This is an area where the public is cowed. They will mouth all the platitudes of multiculturalism while secretly worrying about angry Moslems with handguns. The Conservatives ought to have someone at these little meetings to catch these interactions on video.

These are the issues people care about -- not fixing things with India.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:

I think Trudeau means to face down his opposition on all of these "Social Justice" issues in this way. Which means -- he can be predictably triggered into repetitions of this performance.


Trudeau needs a traction issue;
Legalization and Electoral Reform which I would imagine brought out many voters are now off the table.

We just watched the former government of Ontario try and run a re-election campaign on being proud of their reckless fiscal mismanagement as somehow being a benefit to the electorate and we saw the party decimated as a result. As such, using the Wynne model of re-election likely went out the door.

The election is a year and change away (in theory) and we have watched a rotating attempt at a traction issues.

The Quebec incident aside;
The thing with immigration is the position on the matter of the individual is largely moot. This is the case no matter how hard the Federal Government wants to make that the issue, it simply isn't.

We are watching the attempt to frame this as a "pro vs. con" discussion, but you can be pro immigration and con the way the Feds have fumbled the situation.

The greater overall problem of how utterly ill prepared the Federal Government has been on the portfolio.

Municipalities and Provinces are screaming for them to take responsibility for something that is within their scope and after three years its still a massive blunder.

Flipping the script and trying to make this about "Anti-Immigration" views is an interesting partisan spin to avoid the reason why this is even a topic to begin with.
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