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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:42 am    Post subject: South Africa prepares to expropriate white farmers Reply with quote

It looks like the Boers were right, after all.

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Ramaphosa's late-night shock - ANC will amend constitution on land
President Cyril Ramaphosa announces the decision taken at the ANC’s national executive committee lekgotla
31 JULY 2018 - 21:47 NATASHA MARRIAN

The ANC has decided to change the Constitution to expropriate land without compensation.

This was decided at a two-day lekgotla held in Irene, outside Pretoria, which concluded on Tuesday.

The move is seen as one which reflects the majority perspective expressed at the ongoing hearings on land taking place across the country headed by Parliament’s Constitutional Review Committee.

Business Day understands that a decision was taken by the ANC national executive committee lekgotla to “amend the Constitution to explicitly allow for expropriation without compensation”.

The party is set to make a submission to the parliamentary process under way to this effect.

The decision has far-reaching consequences for both the South African economy as well as its political space. It comes following yet another quarter in which the South African economy has shed jobs, with Statistics SA announcing an increase in the unemployment rate on Tuesday. The move is set to further dent investor sentiment and confidence by local business in the economy.

However, it can be viewed as a decidedly political move to neutralise the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) whose members have been dominating parliamentary hearings on whether the Constitution should be amended.

The ANC in a statement from President Cyril Ramaphosa late on Tuesday said it had become “patently clear that our people want the Constitution be more explicit about expropriation of land without compensation, as demonstrated in the public hearings.

“There is also a growing body of opinion, by a number of South Africans, that the Constitution as it stands does not impede expropriation of land without compensation.

“The lekgotla reaffirmed its position that a comprehensive land reform programme that enables equitable access to land will unlock economic growth, by bringing more land in South Africa to full use, and enable the productive participation of millions more South Africans in the economy,” Ramaphosa said in a statement.

“Accordingly, the ANC will, through the parliamentary process, finalise a proposed amendment to the Constitution that outlines more clearly the conditions under which expropriation of land without compensation can be affected.”

There has been intense debate inside the ANC about whether Section 25 of the Constitution should be amended to expropriate land without compensation.

The ANC took the decision on expropriation without compensation at its national elective conference at Nasrec in December. It partnered with the EFF in Parliament in February to vote for a motion for the expropriation of land without compensation. The EFF wants all SA land to belong to the state, but the ANC’s stance on this remains unclear. There have been dissenting views inside the ANC and the alliance over whether it was necessary to amend the Constitution to allow for expropriation without compensation.

Ramaphosa’s own investment envoy, former finance minister Trevor Manuel, said in June that explaining SA’s ongoing land debate to investors had been tougher than expected.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180802150819/https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/national/2018-07-31-breaking-news-anc-to-change-constitution-to-expropriate-land/
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this issue has been building for sometime , I've posted some articles about it in the past .

its unfortunate it seems to now actually be turning into reality , all because a radical left wing group started to push the idea . if south Africa's parliament had any common sense they would of sent this idea to the trash years ago


its just purely dumb and no wonder investors are getting cold feet about investing money into the country
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People assume that the Dutch went to South Africa and conquered and oppressed the native peoples, but that isn't so. The Boers were a religious denomination, one of those groups like the Mennonites or the Hutterites who went to Africam and settled on marginal land on the edge of a dessert. They irrigated the land and learned how to grow crops in that area over a few generations.

As they succeeded, and the whole of South Africa began to prosper, it attracted people from less successful part of Africa because the wages were better than elsewhere. Soon the numbers were more than the economy could employ. They tried to treat the Blacks as if they were immigrants. That meant applying, carrying papers, etc. They settled on apartheid, probably to avoid being ripped off Zimbabwe-style.

I worry that this could get very violent very quickly. South Africa is already a violent country, but they have Canadian-style gun control. The farmers are largely disarmed. There's lots of gun violence, but to get licensed to own a firearm involves background checks, and at least 90 days ...

There's no reason to believe that if they are forced off their land, it'll stop there.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is we have seen this unfold in Africa before;
When this done in Zimbabwe it was an economic disaster, because its not solely about the farm, the land, etc but its about the capital needed to operate them which in the case of Zimbabwe many of the farmers did not have even those seized by government officials.

It was so much of a disaster that they are offering 99 year leases for the formally expelled farmers to return.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/201.....rn/9392322

The biggest economic benefactor of Zimbabwe land expropriate policy was Zambia where many of the exiled farmers settled who in turn enjoyed a boom in their agriculture economy.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's almost unbelievable -- this is a race war that isn't even appearing in most of the Western press! Why? Because its blacks attacking whites? I can think of only one reason -- that its Africa, and they avoid telling us anything about all the ugliness taking place in that continent until suddenly one tribe takes machetes, en masse, to the other tribe.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Four months have passed. There are reports that the farmers have already been given their notice.

South Africa MPs adopts land expropriation report
South Africa MPs adopts land expropriation report
Published: 04 December 2018 (140 Views)


The National Assembly has voted to adopt the report of the Constitutional Review Committee on the review of Section 25 of the Constitution.

The proposed Constitutional review will allow for land expropriation without compensation in South Africa.

209 MPs voted for the report to be adopted, while 91 voted against the adoption. Those in opposition to the report included the DA, IFP, ACDP, FF Plus and COPE.

Ahead of the vote, the National Assembly heard how 449,552 authentic written submissions were made on the proposal for the Constitution to be amended.

Notably, the report found that 65% of the written submission were in opposition to the amendment.

However, Stan Maila - who was a co-chairperson for the Joint Constitutional Review Committee – noted that because the process was not a referendum the number of people against the amendment of the Constitution was not relevant. [....]
http://harare24.com/index-id-news-zk-90694.html
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This is another stage in the constitutional change that is necessary to take the land without compensation.
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SA High Court rejects white farmers’ challenge to land expropriation plans
SA High Court rejects white farmers’ challenge to land expropriation plans
Cyril Ramaphosa

CAPE TOWN — South Africa’s High Court rejected a legal challenge yesterday brought by a group representing white farmers against President Cyril Ramaphosa’s plans for land expropriation without compensation.

Land is a hot-button issue in South Africa where racial inequality remains entrenched more than two decades after the end of apartheid when millions of the black majority were dispossessed of their land by a white minority.

Ramaphosa, who replaced scandal-plagued Jacob Zuma in February, has made land redistribution a flagship policy as he seeks to unite the fractured ruling African National Congress (ANC) and win public support ahead of an election next year.

In its legal challenge, Afriforum questioned the legality of a key parliamentary committee report which recommended a change to the constitution to allow land expropriation without compensation.

“The relief sought by the applicants . . . is dismissed,” said Judge Vincent Saldanha.

Afriforum, which represents mostly white Afrikaners, alleged that the parliamentary committee had illegally appointed an external service provider to compile the report, and also failed to consider more than 100 000 submissions opposing land expropriation without compensation.

Around 65 percent of public submissions were against a change, according to parliamentary officials.

Parliament successfully countered Afriforum’s case by saying the court action was premature, the committee had not abrogated its powers and all views had been taken into account. “We welcome the orders handed down today particularly because we’ve always been of the view that the matter was not urgent,” Lewis Nzimande, co-chair of the constitutional review committee, told reporters outside the High Court in Cape Town.

“They (lawmakers) may set aside the recommendations, they may reject the recommendations but procedurally . . . we can’t just reject the whole work of the committee,” he said.

He said the report, just one step in a long process to change the constitution, will probably be debated in both houses of parliament on December 4. [....]
https://www.chronicle.co.zw/sa-high-court-rejects-white-farmers-challenge-to-land-expropriation-plans/
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a video showing how the white population of South Africa is reacting to the rising tide of threats against their property and their lives. It's from a Russian news source, but there are subtitles, and the images say a lot. The people are often speaking in English behind the Russian translation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF7SE18rOTA

It feels like Zimbabwe all over again.
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