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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The brother's case was over a year ago. Most of the information is there.

The problem is that the Police are acting as if they are trying to head off a public reaction that they know will happen -- possibly because the evidence supports that. It would be easy to produce evidence of mental torture that great -- what was his medical record? The man is a murderer, and dead to boot -- don't tell me he has privacy rights!

There's info on the gun. Does that have to be vetted?

Does anyone have any doubt that if the police had evidence that would calm the public, they would release it? Of course, they would, and rightfully. The implication is hat they aren't turning up that kind of evidence if they are even doing an investigation.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The problem is that the Police are acting as if they are trying to head off a public reaction that they know will happen -- possibly because the evidence supports that.

Since you have no idea what the cops know, this statement is erroneous and immaterial.
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-- what was his medical record? The man is a murderer, and dead to boot -- don't tell me he has privacy rights!

Ok I wont. Seems you already know the correct answer. LOL.

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Does anyone have any doubt that if the police had evidence that would calm the public,

Um...the public is calm. Did you think otherwise? Ohhh....you are scared, sorry about that. Weed might work.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry TC, you're too stupid to bother with ... in the meantime, the question we all share, even the dupe ...

What was the shooter's motive?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry TC, you're too stupid to bother with ... in the meantime, the question we all share, even the dupe ...

What was the shooter's motive?


LOL

Id expect that from an Alex Jones conspiracy fruitcake.

The shooter is dead....conjure up something and ask him your self.

In the meantime, the cops will perform due diligence and let idiots nutbars opine about conspiracy and other truly goofy stuff. Enjoy !
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Canada can't say where its crime guns are coming from

Governments, police not collecting national statistics on whether guns are smuggled or sourced domestically

Evan Dyer · CBC News · Posted: Aug 10, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 4 hours ago

There's a lack of consistent data on the origin of guns used in crime in Canada - and no national effort to collect accurate numbers. (Robert Short/CBC)

"It is a fact that the majority of gun-related crimes in our communities are committed with guns that are domestically-sourced," RCMP Inspector Chris McBryan told the Vancouver Sun two years ago.

Insp. McBryan was speaking as head of the Western Canada division of the National Weapons Enforcement Support Team (NWEST) of the Canadian Firearms Program (CFP).

But when CBC News contacted the CFP and asked for the data behind his categorical statement, the RCMP replied that no such data exists.

"Inspector McBryan's statement would have been based on information available to him at that time; however, this information would not have provided a complete, national picture of the sources of crime guns, as no such data exists," says a statement from the RCMP.

"Currently, there is no national repository for this type of information in Canada. The Canadian Firearms Program does not collect or track national statistics with regard to the origin of crime guns," said Sgt. Marie Damian. [....]
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic.....-1.4779702


... because the police would never lie ... (snicker)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
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Canada can't say where its crime guns are coming from

Governments, police not collecting national statistics on whether guns are smuggled or sourced domestically

Evan Dyer · CBC News · Posted: Aug 10, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 4 hours ago

There's a lack of consistent data on the origin of guns used in crime in Canada - and no national effort to collect accurate numbers. (Robert Short/CBC)

"It is a fact that the majority of gun-related crimes in our communities are committed with guns that are domestically-sourced," RCMP Inspector Chris McBryan told the Vancouver Sun two years ago.

Insp. McBryan was speaking as head of the Western Canada division of the National Weapons Enforcement Support Team (NWEST) of the Canadian Firearms Program (CFP).

But when CBC News contacted the CFP and asked for the data behind his categorical statement, the RCMP replied that no such data exists.

"Inspector McBryan's statement would have been based on information available to him at that time; however, this information would not have provided a complete, national picture of the sources of crime guns, as no such data exists," says a statement from the RCMP.

"Currently, there is no national repository for this type of information in Canada. The Canadian Firearms Program does not collect or track national statistics with regard to the origin of crime guns," said Sgt. Marie Damian. [....]
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic.....-1.4779702


... because the police would never lie ... (snicker)


The commonsense aspect behind the majority or near majority of guns being used in gun crime being domestically sourced never made much sense.

In order to verify that you would need to have a serial number that would be traced back to an owner who would need to have a very lengthy legal discussion about his/her registered prohibited weapon certificates.

I can't imagine a situation where even a domestic owner wouldn't file off serial numbers before an illegal sale.

Establishing definitively there is no data to verify that 50%-ish number isn't surprising,
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So -- we're back to:

What was the shooter's motive?

This is incredible. Ten days later and we don't even know if the shooter was killed by a police bullet or if he killed himself?

Why would they tell us nothing? Only to protect something or to hide something embarrassing to the police. I don't see how the police could be embarrassed in this, so they must be protecting a Moslem immigrant, possibly a refugee, with underworld drug and gun connections? Why?

Sorry, it's long enough. This is being blacked out. Where are the journalists, seeking information?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:

This is incredible.

Not really, just pushing some silly agenda on your part.

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Ten days later and we don't even know if the shooter was killed by a police bullet or if he killed himself?

Widely reported that he shot himself. Police sources have said same although not official spokesman .

And you wonder why I say Alex Jones to you?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think so. Widely reported means nothing -- it's not a source. I'd like to see you back this up. I googled Fiesel Hussein, murder or suicide? and got speculations but no clarification. None. Most articles left the question open until the police report. The police have been silent on the matter.

Why do you want to cover this up? As far as the police are concerned, this either is a solved crime or a suicide. Either way, close the file.

Trust me, they know how he died. There is no trial that 'necessitates' them keeping quiet. They can tell us. There is, in fact, a communal need to know.

What was the shooter's motive?

Are we safe? The police are giving the worst answer.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aHH... All Alex Jones All the time are we? Man you are funny.

So anyhow...
1) A police source told Global News Hussain died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. https://globalnews.ca/news/4353391/toronto-gunman-shot-himself/

2) Ohh ohh heres a headline " Faisal Hussain, gunman in Danforth shooting rampage, killed himself: police source " and " The gunman in Sunday's deadly attack on Danforth Avenue in Toronto died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head following an exchange of gunfire with officers, a police source tells CBC News.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/danforth-gunman-suicide-1.4761775

3) The gunman, identified Monday as Faisal Hussain, 29, then died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to police sources. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/07/23/shooter-on-the-danforth-was-firing-like-someone-in-a-video-game-witness-says.html

4) Toronto shooter died of self-inflicted gunshot wound: source https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-shooter-died-of-self-inflicted-gunshot-wound-source-1.4027129


So Alex, how many others would you like to dispel your entirely made up paranoia ?

LOL!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:

Are we safe?


Only from others, perhaps from yourself not so much.

Reynolds Wrap.....get on it.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:

1) A police source told Global News Hussain died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. https://global
news.ca/news/4353391/toronto-gunman-shot-himself/

2) Ohh ohh heres a headline " Faisal Hussain, gunman in Danforth shooting rampage, killed himself: police source " and " The gunman in Sunday's deadly attack on Danforth Avenue in Toronto died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head following an exchange of gunfire with officers, a police source tells CBC News.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/danforth-gunman-suicide-1.4761775

3) The gunman, identified Monday as Faisal Hussain, 29, then died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to police sources. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/07/23/shooter-on-the-danforth-was-firing-like-someone-in-a-video-game-witness-says.html

4) Toronto shooter died of self-inflicted gunshot wound: source https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-shooter-died-of-self-inflicted-gunshot-wound-source-1.4027129!


I have to give you the point on that one. You are right. Except ... what does a "police source" mean if it doesn't mean these reports are based on a 'leak'. Why isn't the source identified? Why isn't it being announced as an official finding as soon as the coroner files his report?

I think my bigger point still is valid -- the media are manipulating public opinion. They actually believe something like this: if we tell the public about the incriminating evidence -- incriminating in the sense that it supports the jihadi narrative -- it will cause the police more trouble. Maybe it's that simple -- the cops think all the deranged Christian supremicists out there will storm over to the nearest mosque and start picking them off.

And that's offensive.

I watch, for instance, the unfolding nonsense in Frederickton, NB. The first report is of an 'incident; occurring in a part of town -- people should avoid it. The fact that there was a gunfight going on was blacked out. We have to infer that the first to arrive were the first victims, the two police, and from there the coverage is a solemn hymn of praise for police.

What facts are being officially released? And thats my bigger point.

In the meantime ...

What was the shooter's motive?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( liberals are still looking into some sort of urban hand gun ban , although its unclear how they could ban hand guns in an urban centre as a firearms license is for the person and not residence specific )


Liberals considering ban on assault rifles and hand guns: Goodale

By Tim Naumetz. Published on Aug 15, 2018 6:02pm


The Liberal government is considering a ban on assault rifles as well as handguns within “certain locations” like cities and urban municipalities, Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale has disclosed.

Goodale made the comment last week during a speech to the Canadian Association of Police Governance in Winnipeg, where he outlined measures the government has taken so far to fulfil Liberal gun control commitments.

After a rundown of new controls on restricted rifles contained in legislation that reached its final stage of debate in the Commons last June, Goodale listed further proposals for restricted handguns and rifles that emerged during preparation of the bill covering rifles and shotguns.

“And most recently, of course, we have the proposal from the families of the victims of the Mosque shooting in Quebec, and now from Toronto City Council, calling for an outright ban on the possession and use of certain specific weapons – at least in certain locations, like within an urban municipality,” Goodale told a conference of the national association of police oversight bodies.

“The Government of Canada has undertaken to examine all these issues from the perspective of both effectiveness and fairness,” Goodale said.

A spokeperson for Goodale confirmed the reference to “certain specific weapons” covered both handguns and assault rifles, following a request for a ban on assault rifles from leaders of a Quebec City Mosque where a gunman killed six people during prayers on the evening of Jan. 29, 2017.

The shooter, 28-year-old Alexandre Bissonette, later pleaded guilty to six counts of murder.

During committee hearings into Bill C-71, the legislation proposing to reinstate controls on sales of rifles and shotguns that were repealed by the former Conservative government, a prominent Montreal gun-control advocacy group, Polysesouvient, also called for a ban on assault rifles.

The group was formed to fight gun violence following the 1989 shooting deaths of 14 women at Montreal’s Polytechnique engineering school.

Gun lobby groups and firearm arms dispute the term “assault rifle” being used to describe semi-automatic rifles that cannot legally fire bullets repeatedly with one squeeze of the rifle’s trigger, but in the ‘black rifle’ firearm vogue of today, even non-restricted rifles appear as menacing as a machine gun.

Toronto City Council voted last week to ask Ottawa to ban handgun sales in the city and called on the new Conservative government of Ontario to ban ammunition for handguns in the city,

Montreal city council is set to debate a motion next week that would urge the federal government to ban handguns and assault guns.

“Long before this ‘summer of the gun’ and the Danforth (site of the Toronto shootings), we have been at work on a package of measures that will enhance public safety, support police investigations, strengthen border interdictions of crime guns, better combat gangs, and not impinge in any unfair way on ordinary, law-abiding firearm owners,” says a text of Goodale’s remarks posted on Public Safety Canada’s web site on Tuesday.

Goodale delivered his speech the day before a gunman shot and killed two police officers and two civilians in a violent shooting spree from the window of his apartment in Fredericton last Friday.

The remarks to the police governance association were open to news media, but a media advisory was only distributed locally, said Goodale spokesman Scott Bardsley.

When the Quebec City Mosque Cultural Centre first asked for a ban on assault rifles – initially in a letter to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau – Goodale said it would be difficult to implement.

“What would be proposed here is a complete renovation of the classification system in the Criminal Code, and that is a pretty massive undertaking,” Goodale told reporters at the the first Commons committee hearing into Bill C-71.

A constitutional lawyer who is also a specialist in firearms law, Ottawa defence lawyer Solomon Friedman, told iPolitics last week the federal government’s criminal law powers under Canada’s original constitution would mean only Ottawa would have the constitutional authority to ban or prohibit handguns within the limits of a specified city.

https://ipolitics.ca/2018/08/15/liberals-considering-ban-on-assault-rifles-as-well-as-hand-guns-goodale/
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( in a surprise ove , the RCMP commissioner has come out questioning the effectiveness or need for a hand gun ban . even going as far as to say she didn't think it was the answer to solving the gun violence problem . likely cause the police know the guns are going to come from the US anyways and if there was no legal registry or record of Canadian hand guns , it would all be black market and the police wouldn't know for sure who had one or not , actually making there job more dangerous )


RCMP commissioner 'not sure' handgun ban is the answer to gun violence



Commissioner Brenda Lucki says force needs to study next steps


Catharine Tunney · CBC News · Posted: Aug 18, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 11 hours ago


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A recent spate of shootings is driving a swelling chorus of calls for a handgun ban — but the nation's top Mountie says she isn't convinced it's the answer.

On Monday, Montreal's city council will debate whether to push for a federal ban on handguns. The motion before council calls on Montreal to demand the Liberal government ramp up the restrictions in its Bill C-71, tabled last March, by prohibiting civilians from possessing assault rifles and handguns.

"I'm not sure if a complete ban is the answer or tweaking the legislation to ensure more accountability. That's definitely something we need to study," RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki told Chris Hall, host of CBC's The House.


"But the bottom line is one life taken by one handgun is one life too many, so we definitely need to look at alternative ways of dealing with that situation."

The Montreal motion cites the Polytechnique massacre of 1989, the 1992 Concordia University massacre, the shooting at Dawson College in 2006 and the Quebec City mosque shooting in 2017.

It follows a motion Toronto city council put forward in the wake of the deadly shooting on the city's bustling Danforth Avenue last month. Julianna Kozis, 10, and Reese Fallon, 18, were both shot and killed when 29-year-old Faisal Hussain opened fire in the city's Greektown neighbourhood. Thirteen others were injured.

Toronto city council adopted a motion that asks Ottawa to ban the sale of handguns within city limits.

'Handguns are definitely an issue'

The federal minister in charge of organized crime reduction has said he's open to considering a ban to help tackle gun violence.

"I think it's important that we be open to every consideration," said Minister of Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction Bill Blair.


RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki appears at a hearing of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security in Ottawa on Monday, May 7, 2018. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his government is listening to both cities.

"We are going to listen very attentively to, obviously, what the city council in Toronto has done [and] what Montreal might do next," he said earlier this week.

His comments came in the wake of a more recent eruption of gun violence — the shooting in Fredericton last week that claimed the lives of two police officers and two civilians.

Lucki, who took the RCMP's helm back in April, said the presence of handguns in Canadian communities is something her officers keep in mind on the job.

"In some of the bigger areas that we police, handguns are definitely an issue and it's something that our members are always aware of," she said.

"Every night I go to sleep, I just hope my members aren't complacent and take every one of those calls seriously."

A 2016 report from the RCMP's Commissioner of Firearms found there were more than a million restricted and prohibited firearms across the country.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic.....-1.4789317
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still ... wouldn't it be good to know ... What were the shooter's motives?
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