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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:09 am    Post subject: 2 killed, many injured in Toronto shooting Reply with quote

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Witnesses said they heard 25 gunshots, CityNews.com reported.

The condition of the other victims was not known yet, police spokesman Mark Pugash said.

Witnesses heard many shots and described the suspect walking past restaurants and cafes and patios on both sides of the street and firing into them.

John Tulloch said he and his brother had just gotten out of their car when he heard about 20 to 30 gunshots.

"We just ran. We saw people starting to run so we just ran," he said.

Toronto has been grappling with a sharp rise in violence this year. Deaths from gun violence in the city jumped 53 percent to 26 so far in 2018 from the same period last year, police data last week showed, with the number of shootings rising 13 percent.

Toronto deployed about 200 police officers from July 20 in response to the recent spate in shootings, which city officials have blamed on gang violence.

Mayor John Tory urged residents to remain calm. [....]
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-23/one-killed-14-wounded-after-gunman-opens-fire-toronto-terrorism-suspected


No word on the shooter.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More craziness ...

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Man with knife stopped as he tried to attack Ceremonial Guard on Parliament Hill
DAVID PUGLIESE, OTTAWA CITIZEN Updated: July 23, 2018

Ottawa police are investigating after a man tried to stab a member of the Ceremonial Guard on Parliament Hill Monday.

Department of National Defence official Daniel Le Bouthillier said the incident took place Monday at 10:15 a.m. on the lawn of Parliament Hill, during the Changing of the Guard parade.

The man was armed with a knife and attempted to stab a guard member. “Due to the quick reaction of our soldiers, RCMP and Parliamentary Protective Services, the potential threat was identified and neutralized,” Le Bouthillier said. “No one was injured during this incident.”

The man was arrested.

As the matter is under investigation by the police, any other comments at this point would be inappropriate, Le Bouthillier said.

Ottawa police now have custody of the suspect.

The daily Changing the Guard Ceremony on Parliament Hill is a popular tourist attraction. It began on Sunday, June 24 and is scheduled to end on Aug. 23.

In addition to the daily Guard Mount ceremonies on Parliament Hill, the Ceremonial Guard performs hourly sentry duties every day at Rideau Hall from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., the Canadian Forces said.
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/man-with-knife-stopped-as-he-tried-to-attack-ceremonial-guard-on-parliament-hill


Again ... nothing about the perp.

UPDATE: This is an announcement about the knife weilder in Ottawa ...

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Parliamentary Protective Service (PPS)
@PPS_SPP
FOR CLARIFICATION: Reports of an individual carrying a knife during the incident are inaccurate. A small pocket knife was discovered in proximity to the subject following the arrest. The Ottawa Police Service is investigating. #ParliamentHill

5:10 PM - Jul 23, 2018
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I will spare you my usual jaundiced views on the competence of government and their minions.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faisal Hussain.

According to his family he was very mentally disturbed . Sounds about right.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So ... another mentally disturbed Moslem!

Why is it that all these mentally disturbed Moslems express themselves by killing people they think of as Christians? You think that once in a while, they'd kill some of their own.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sick people kill. Its really not hard to fathom unless one likes to parade their prejudices for who knows what reasons.

Christians kill , Jews kill, Muslims kill.

And?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Christians who go nuts kill Christians ... and West Indians who go nuts kill other West Indians, and so on ... except for Moslems. Maybe he's the kind of Moslem that goes batty at the thought of people eatinng bacon? Maybe if he weren't a Moslem, he'd be happier -- and could get a bacon-wrapped double bacon-burger like everyone else.

And you have the incentives on offer ... 72 virgins and all that. Strawberry sodas and chocolate cake ... You don't see the other major religions offering eternal life and endless sex as a bounty on infidels.

The other choice would be to allow people to defend themsekves if the police can't. What would be wrong with a general 'concealed carry' philosophy.

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How can this happen, anyway The guy is (supposedly) mentally disturbed. Maybe it'just a story. Maybe they are celebrating his jihad ... who knows? But if he ever showed up at a hospital depressed or manic, would he be able to get this handgun?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
But Christians who go nuts kill Christians ... and West Indians who go nuts kill other West Indians, and so on ..

Some do, some dont. Some kill anyone they can.

See...thats called 'sickness' .
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. except for Moslems.

And Jews, and Protestants , and Andre Brevik , and Visayans, Russian Orthodox Army, ...
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Maybe he's the kind of Moslem that goes batty at the thought of people eatinng bacon? Maybe if he weren't a Moslem, he'd be happier -- and could get a bacon-wrapped double bacon-burger like everyone else.

Oh oh funny.....naw, just ignorant.

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The other choice would be to allow people to defend themsekves if the police can't. What would be wrong with a general 'concealed carry' philosophy.

Wrong country, never going to happen.

Thankfully.

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How can this happen, anyway The guy is (supposedly) mentally disturbed. Maybe it'just a story. Maybe they are celebrating his jihad ... who knows? But if he ever showed up at a hospital depressed or manic, would he be able to get this handgun?

NO. Hospitals dont sell guns .

Any person wish enough cash can get anything they want.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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T Lee Humphrey


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My sources are telling me this man is known to our intelligence agency as an online supporter of Islamic terrorism and that he has been questioned in the past.

https://twitter.com/tleehumphrey/status/1021379331065622530

There are reports from non-media sources that our shooter had also travelled to 'Afghanistan and Pakistan, possibly for training.

If true, it could lead to a bigger challenge to our dim PM's immigration policy. But the really dim will cheer ...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( it would seem Toronto is now willing to consider magical solutions to its guns and gang problem , instead of cracking down on the actual people who illegally import and sell guns in the city , go after the small % of legal owners who aren't involved in these shootings , even if they " ban " hang guns in Toronto its highly unlikely the hard core criminals will stop carrying guns , it would seem to be a fairy tale magical solution that does not address the core issues for this violence )




Feds prepared to consider proposal to ban handguns, Goodale says



Laura Stone Parliamentary reporter


Published 46 minutes ago

Updated July 24, 2018



Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale says there is no known connection between the Toronto shooting suspect and national security concerns, and that the Trudeau government is prepared to consider a proposal to ban handguns.

Still, Mr. Goodale said such changes to handgun provisions would be complex and require a “significant remodeling of the Criminal Code.”

When asked on Tuesday about comments made by Toronto Mayor John Tory in the wake of the deadly Toronto shooting this week, who asked why anyone in the city needs a gun, Mr. Goodale said a similar proposal was first brought forward by people affected by the January 2017 mosque shooting in Quebec City, where six people were killed.



“A number of groups and organizations made representations to that effect earlier this year. I said that we would be prepared to consider their arguments and we will do that,” Mr. Goodale told reporters on Tuesday.

“We’ll obviously examine carefully what they’ve had to say. Public safety is extremely important to all Canadians and we need to make sure that we get this right.”



Mr. Goodale made the comments alongside former Toronto police chief Bill Blair, who was recently named the Minister of Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction, as the two headed into a set of emergency meetings at the Citizenship and Immigration committee to discuss Ottawa’s response to the growing number of asylum-seekers crossing the Canada-U.S. border.

The public safety minister said at this point in the shooting investigation, which is being handled by Toronto police, there is no known “nexus” between Toronto shooting suspect Faisal Hussain, who killed a 10-year-old girl and an 18-year-old woman and injured 13 others on Danforth Avenue in Toronto on Sunday night, and security agencies. Mr. Hussain also died after exchanging gunfire with police.

Mr. Goodale added that the government’s new firearms bill, which was introduced in March, looks to upgrade the law with respect to background checks. He said he’ll raise the issue of a national requirement to report mental health issues as part of checks when he meets with provincial public safety and justice ministers this fall.

Mr. Blair said the federal government is working with both the province and city to address the issue of gun violence.

He added that he can’t speak specifically about the circumstances that led to the shooting, but Mr. Hussain’s family said the 29-year-old battled psychosis and other mental health issues for years.


“Unfortunately in our country there are many ways in which a person can illegally acquire a handgun,” Mr. Blair said.

“I am familiar with the way in which people intent on criminal and violent criminal activities can at times obtain handguns both legally and illegally, and overwhelmingly they do it in an illegal fashion.”

In May, the president of Quebec City's Centre culturel Islamique de Québec appealed to a parliamentary committee to include a ban on assault weapons in proposed gun-control legislation.

Six people were killed in a shootout during prayers at the Quebec City mosque on Jan. 29, 2017, and Boufeldja Benabdallah told members of the public-safety committee the death toll could have been much higher if the shooter's weapon had not jammed.

- With a report from The Canadian Press


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-feds-prepared-to-consider-proposal-to-ban-handguns-goodale-says/?cmpid=rss
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Blair were honest, he would admit to his impotence on this question. They have done everything they can do already, and more. The answer lies elsewhere.

What you need, in busy neighbourhood shopping districts, is cops on foot patrols who confront suspicious behaviour and interact with the neighbourhood. They get a 'feel' for enforcement in that particular area.

If it were me, I'd have the cops in uniforms that look like chauffeurs rather than storm-troopers. I am not sure about carrying guns. But they'd be wired into backup and video, and they'd talk to local people instead of each other. That's how cops get information and know who to suspect -- knowledge of the neighbourhood.

It takes about two years for Toronto cops to notice and close down a 'shooting gallery' or a crackhouse, mostly because people are so reluctant to report neighbours. But if a cop is walking around their neighbourhood, and the locals get talking to him/her, they learn a lot without asking. A crackhouse in that kind of neibourhood wouldn't last six weeks!

But our cops make too much money for that. They aren't going to take chances, or risk getting hurt. They don't break up bar fights or patrol areas on foot, not even in the Yonge/Dundas area and thereabouts. They're too important for that. And too out of shape.

Instead, they sit in their cars doing paperwork a lot of the time, waiting until they get a call on the radio. Like a taxi. Then they arrive in overwhelming force and start putting up yellow tape.

Their prime job is to keep the streets safe, and protect property. Let's admit -- the streets are generally safe, but it isn't because of the police. They aren't around. It's because most people in Canada are very civil.

The record is not so good on the protecting property end. The police have just about quit investigating thefts. When you report a theft, they don't even pretend. If they come out to your house, you should recognize that they are protecting the insurance company. You likely won't get your goods back.

Look at the mess they are making of the Honey & Barry Sherman case. Where's Miss Marple when you need her?

The worrying thing is that the trends are all bad. And Toronto without safe streets would be a pretty miserable place. For now, the bad areas are mostly on the fringes. Let's hope it stays that way.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:

Feds prepared to consider proposal to ban handguns, Goodale says
Laura Stone Parliamentary reporter
Published 46 minutes ago
Updated July 24, 2018

Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale says there is no known connection between the Toronto shooting suspect and national security concerns, and that the Trudeau government is prepared to consider a proposal to ban handguns.

Still, Mr. Goodale said such changes to handgun provisions would be complex and require a “significant remodeling of the Criminal Code.”

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-feds-prepared-to-consider-proposal-to-ban-handguns-goodale-says/?cmpid=rss


Do we know if the weapon that was used in this tragedy would even have been effected by this legislation? Was it legally owned and registered to the shooter?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
RCO wrote:

Feds prepared to consider proposal to ban handguns, Goodale says
Laura Stone Parliamentary reporter
Published 46 minutes ago
Updated July 24, 2018

Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale says there is no known connection between the Toronto shooting suspect and national security concerns, and that the Trudeau government is prepared to consider a proposal to ban handguns.

Still, Mr. Goodale said such changes to handgun provisions would be complex and require a “significant remodeling of the Criminal Code.”

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-feds-prepared-to-consider-proposal-to-ban-handguns-goodale-says/?cmpid=rss


Do we know if the weapon that was used in this tragedy would even have been effected by this legislation? Was it legally owned and registered to the shooter?



good question , don't believe the origins of the firearm used in the shooting have been revealed .

if he was in fact the legal owner ? however that would seem doubtful considering his past mental health troubles that he could of somehow got a restricted hand gun license

it would more than likely have been taken from a legal owner if his parents or someone he knew had guns or he purchased it illegally on the streets somehow ?


but either way I don't believe anything about the guns history has been revealed to the public
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact that they have NOT identified the gun is telling, just as it took them 24 hours to release the shooter's name.

The greatest probability is that this handgun is illegal as is walking around with it on your person (if I understand it correctly). We already have registration of guns, and permits to own them, transport them, etc.

Which means that this guy could have gang connections.

I wish I knew where he lived, and if he chose the Danforth for a special reason.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
If Blair were honest, he would admit to his impotence on this question. They have done everything they can do already, and more. The answer lies elsewhere.

What you need, in busy neighbourhood shopping districts, is cops on foot patrols who confront suspicious behaviour and interact with the neighbourhood. They get a 'feel' for enforcement in that particular area.

If it were me, I'd have the cops in uniforms that look like chauffeurs rather than storm-troopers. I am not sure about carrying guns. But they'd be wired into backup and video, and they'd talk to local people instead of each other. That's how cops get information and know who to suspect -- knowledge of the neighbourhood.

It takes about two years for Toronto cops to notice and close down a 'shooting gallery' or a crackhouse, mostly because people are so reluctant to report neighbours. But if a cop is walking around their neighbourhood, and the locals get talking to him/her, they learn a lot without asking. A crackhouse in that kind of neibourhood wouldn't last six weeks!

But our cops make too much money for that. They aren't going to take chances, or risk getting hurt. They don't break up bar fights or patrol areas on foot, not even in the Yonge/Dundas area and thereabouts. They're too important for that. And too out of shape.

Instead, they sit in their cars doing paperwork a lot of the time, waiting until they get a call on the radio. Like a taxi. Then they arrive in overwhelming force and start putting up yellow tape.

Their prime job is to keep the streets safe, and protect property. Let's admit -- the streets are generally safe, but it isn't because of the police. They aren't around. It's because most people in Canada are very civil.

The record is not so good on the protecting property end. The police have just about quit investigating thefts. When you report a theft, they don't even pretend. If they come out to your house, you should recognize that they are protecting the insurance company. You likely won't get your goods back.

Look at the mess they are making of the Honey & Barry Sherman case. Where's Miss Marple when you need her?

The worrying thing is that the trends are all bad. And Toronto without safe streets would be a pretty miserable place. For now, the bad areas are mostly on the fringes. Let's hope it stays that way.



the banning of legal guns would seem to be the liberals fairy tale solution to gun crime


I'd really like to know what difference it would make to the criminal code to try and ban something that was already illegal ? as the police can already arrest and charge someone in possession of an illegal hand gun as the law stands now


unless they increased the penalties for being in possession of an illegal gun it would seem to be a purely symbolic move , over something that would have any real affect on crime in the city


think its clear Toronto needs a made in Toronto solution to this problem , they need to figure out what it going on wrong there and not focus on this liberal obsession of taking away legal gun owners rights as a solution
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couple of things.

Took about 14 hours to release ID of shooter.

He lived in Thorncliffe Park as has been said on about 40 reports so far.

It was a hand gun. Who cares what type ? Does it matter ?

I wonder if de-regulation of the the registry can assume some of the blame? Immediately after the imports rose more than significantly.
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