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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would argue you could protect nearly all of the land within the Greenbelt as long as you returned the freedom to zone to the Municipalities.

When the Ontario Government took away Municipalities abilities to plan for themselves with the new one size fits all density and zoning requirements they essentially went against market demand hoping the population would adapt.

They didn't.

You could easily carve a piece of the Greenbelt out and develop it;
The route of the 407 and some of the Metrolinx expansion basically assumes it will eventually happen anyway;

I would argue that it doesn't need to be done yet.
Let the Municipalities grant developers the ability to build per market demand and then when you run out of space re-visit land usage.

In the mean-time do something to make commuting from areas on the outer side of the Green Space to the inner side of the Green Space more palatable.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( developers can of course still appeal rejected projects to the OMB which is happening in Penetanguishene Ont , where an unpopular project which would destroy woodland and park within the town was rejected by town council )


Developer to appeal decision to refuse proposed Penetanguishene subdivision

News 01:00 PM by Andrew Mendler  Midland Mirror|


Gerry Marshall


Penetanguishene Mayor Gerry Marshall, also serves as the Warden of Simcoe County. - Andrew Mendler/Metroland


Penetanguishene could have to spend up to $300,000 on legal fees to defend the decision to reject a residential subdivision proposed for 30-acres of woodland between Fox Street and Church Street.

Queen’s Court Development Ltd. is appealing council’s decision to refuse the draft plan of the subdivision and associated zoning bylaw amendment to the Ontario Municipal Board – a quasi-judicial body that deals with development proposal appeals.

The developer estimates a hearing will require witnesses in planning, engineering, environment, hydrogeology and traffic fields.


“Council made this decision…and it should be in the 2018 budget. We need to find a way to fund it out of this year,” said Mayor Gerry Marshall. “It would be totally unfair to burden the 2019 council with a $300,000 decision made by this council.”


Public opposition of proposed Penetanguishene subdivision growing


Council committee passed a motion to add the $300,000 to the town’s tax levy, which will result in a tax rate increase of just over half a per cent.

Staff are not entirely clear which process the appeal with be governed under, as the OMB became the Local Planning Appeal Tribunal as of April 3. They suspect the plan for the subdivision will be through the OMB process.

A hearing isn’t expected until late 2019.


https://www.simcoe.com/news-story/8572639-developer-to-appeal-decision-to-refuse-proposed-penetanguishene-subdivision/
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( Ford now says he won't touch the greenbelt , personally I don't see what the big deal was about a few new subdivisions in places like Durham or York region where there is already many even in rural areas there is large new homes now , the greenbelt isn't saving Ontario's pristine wilderness that is much further north than the GTA area its saving some farmland and such but the original forests are long gone

personally I think there should be more of a focus on saving historically significant properties and naturally significant land over simply saying development is not allowed in a large area , the problem with the greenbelt is it creates a false sense that development is being restricted north of the city , when it reality it isn't and there is many new developments planned for all over and little protection for older farm lands or mature forests in the none greenbelt lands

there should also be a complete ban on any development or new home construction in wetlands or land which contains species such as turtles which are highly threatened . cause as it stands now we still have people here who are willing to destroy such properties to make a few bucks building a new home they later resell for a profit and they could care less if they destroy the local ecosystem in the process

we need to build new homes to support a growing population but they shouldn't be built on wetlands that is just morally wrong and destroys the local environment on so many levels )


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.@fordnation reverses course on greenbelt: “The people have spoken - we won’t touch the greenbelt. Very simple. That’s it, the people have spoken. I’m going to listen to them, they don’t want me to touch the greenbelt, we won’t touch the greenbelt. Simple as that.”
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He shouldn't even be talking about the Green Belt and such ... what's wrong if he shrugs his shoulders, says he doesn't know and promises to have a fair and open process, blah, blah, blah?

His issue is the financial mismanagement and finding the magic efficiencies that are going to balance the budget painlessly. Ford isn't an expert in special fields -- he's an expert in using expertss to make practical decisions.

We are now in May, and the election is June 7 -- as I count it, that's only five weeks away! Well, 37 days from now is election day! The campaign can be no shorter than 28 days.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
He shouldn't even be talking about the Green Belt and such ... what's wrong if he shrugs his shoulders, says he doesn't know and promises to have a fair and open process, blah, blah, blah?

His issue is the financial mismanagement and finding the magic efficiencies that are going to balance the budget painlessly. Ford isn't an expert in special fields -- he's an expert in using expertss to make practical decisions.

We are now in May, and the election is June 7 -- as I count it, that's only five weeks away! Well, 37 days from now is election day! The campaign can be no shorter than 28 days.



considering house projects / zoning decisions are mostly decided by town councils anyways , I'm really not sure why Ford suggested this idea to begin with . even if land in theory was opened up , official plans would still have to be submitted and approvals for such projects take years

also most of the green belt land is not serviced ( no city water / no natural gas heating ) so its unclear how they could build homes on some of that land to begin with , certainly couldn't do so immediately if there is no services
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( its being speculated that the deficit is really $12 billion not $6 billion )


Ont. deficit to jump to almost $12B: FAO


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A new report from the Financial Accountability Office shows that Ontario’s budget deficit is actually $11.8 billion instead of the $6.7-billion figure reported by the provincial Liberals.

Ontario’s fiscal watchdog says the province’s deficit will jump to almost $12 billion this year as a result of higher spending in the Liberal government’s 2018 budget and weak revenue gains.

The FAO also says the government’s spending plan will add about $70 billion to the province’s net debt, increasing it to almost $400 billion in 2020-21.

The findings come in the FAO’s Spring 2018 Economic Outlook, released Wednesday, just a week before the provincial election campaign kicks off.


“Kathleen Wynne and the Liberals are untrustworthy. They will do, say or promise anything to cling to power,” Ontario PC Finance Critic Vic Fedeli said.


“When it comes to a dispute between the Financial Accountability Officer and the auditor general versus the Wynne Liberals, we will always side with the independent experts.”

The Liberal government’s spring budget had said the deficit for 2018 would be $6.7 billion, with the books expected to stay in the red for six years.

The FAO report warns that the plan to balance the budget by 2024 involves a dramatic cut in spending growth.

It says the government has provided few specifics about those spending cuts but says it would need to find $15 billion in reductions by 2025, or the equivalent of an 8% drop in program spending, to achieve its goal.


Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne toured Blackberry QNX Autonomous Vehicle Innovation Centre in Kanata on July 21, 2017. (Toronto Sun files)

J. David Wake, the Temporary Financial Accountability Officer, said the government’s plan “shifts the burden of stabilizing Ontario’s public finances from current taxpayers to younger Ontarians and leaves the province with less flexibility to respond to future crises, including recessions.”

The report echoes some of the findings from the auditor general, who said last week that the government had understated its deficit numbers in the 2018 budget, saying they were off by 75% for 2018-19, with that jumping to 92% for 2020-21.

Bonnie Lysyk said the government has not accurately reflected the true cost of its borrowing plan to cut hydro rates by 25%, and also raised questions about how the province accounts for revenues related to two teacher pension plans it includes on the books as assets.

“Kathleen Wynne and the Liberals cooked the books. They aren’t telling the people of Ontario the whole story. They’re trying to bury the true costs of their scandal, waste, and mismanagement,” added Fedeli.

“An Ontario PC government led by Doug Ford will respect the taxpayer. We will commission a full audit of the government’s books and will deliver responsibility, accountability, and trust back to Queen’s Park.”


http://canoe.com/news/provinci.....eport/wcm/
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And like clockwork....

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Ontario’s governing Liberals are promising to expand a large stretch of protected land around the Toronto region if re-elected next month, a pledge that comes after the province’s Tories backtracked on a promise to allow housing development in the green space.

The future of the Greenbelt — the world’s largest permanently protected green space — has been a political hot potato roughly a week before Ontario’s election campaign gets underway.


http://nationalpost.com/news/c.....his-spring
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
And like clockwork....

Quote:
Ontario’s governing Liberals are promising to expand a large stretch of protected land around the Toronto region if re-elected next month, a pledge that comes after the province’s Tories backtracked on a promise to allow housing development in the green space.

The future of the Greenbelt — the world’s largest permanently protected green space — has been a political hot potato roughly a week before Ontario’s election campaign gets underway.


http://nationalpost.com/news/c.....his-spring


the greenbelt is obviously a distraction issue for the liberals so people aren't focused on the massive deficit possibly $ 12 billion or the massive salary of the hydro one CEO or any of there other problems


a few days ago the greenbelt wasn't even on anyone's list of top issues and somehow it emerged this week as an issue but might not stay in the press for long
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Greenbelt would be an interesting issue for Ford to use to open a dialogue with the municipalities along and within it.

The narrative on Doug Ford is that he is a bully who makes deals in backrooms;

Using this as a means to start a discussion on what municipalities need and want by way of zoning, provincial density requirements, and infrastructure would certainly be a way to take this issue and re-purpose it.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
The Greenbelt would be an interesting issue for Ford to use to open a dialogue with the municipalities along and within it.

The narrative on Doug Ford is that he is a bully who makes deals in backrooms;

Using this as a means to start a discussion on what municipalities need and want by way of zoning, provincial density requirements, and infrastructure would certainly be a way to take this issue and re-purpose it.



I still see it as a distraction issue , the reality is the liberals and media are experts at spinning things and creating issues out of things people didn't even care about before the election at the expense of the real issues they so desperate don't want to talk about

such as high gas prices , health care , the debt/deficit , hydro


we've wasted almost an entire week of critical pre campaign time a week or so before the actual election talking about an issue no one was especially interested in the week before , because the liberals released a smear video of Doug Ford on Monday
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... and, to underline RCO's point, they have the media. We don't.

Even the media know they risk their credibility by supporting Wynne too much. It's that bad. The public made up its mind about Wynne before the election.

But that doesn't mean that the wouldn't love to destroy Doug Ford.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The standard of journalistic integrity is not lost on me;

Over the course of the last few months we have had a sitting MPP from the current government Ann Hoggarth explain that if small business can't afford the 20% increase in the minimum wage that was spung on them they shouldn't be in business

Then of course, MPP Bob Delaney being proud of tripling the debt, denying he said that, calling anyone who stated he said that a neo con then after a tape was released of him saying he was proud of tripling the debt....then he apologized for what could be argued as slander and libel and then we were all cool.

Both these stories of course received the same attention and vigor in the media as a 16 dollar glass of orange juice.

With that said,
I would argue that these distraction issues are only issues if they harm the PCs or help the Liberals. If the OLP wants to discuss making every open space in Ontario part of the Greenspace but keeps them firmly in the 20s in polling

What do I care?
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