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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:42 pm    Post subject: Viktor Orban wins Hungarian elections Reply with quote

( the anti EU right of centre party has taken a big lead in the Hungarian election and appears set to win big , looks like if you support the EU you lose in some parts of Europe these days )


The Latest: Ruling party takes big lead in Hungary election


Voters, who registered themselves elsewhere than their home addresses queue in front of a polling station during the general elections in the Ujbuda district of Budapest, Hungary, Sunday, April 8, 2018. (Marton Monus/MTI via AP) (Associated Press)

By Associated Press

April 8 at 5:16 PM

BUDAPEST, Hungary — The Latest on Hungary’s parliamentary election (all times local):

11:00 p.m.

Early election results in Hungary give Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban’s right-wing populist Fidesz party with a large lead.

Preliminary results from the National Election Office have Fidesz winning Sunday’s parliamentary election with 49.5 percent of the vote.

If the result stands, Fidesz would hold 134 of the 199 seats in the national parliament and regain its super majority there.


With 69.1 percent of the votes counted, the right-wing nationalist Jobbik Party was coming in second with 19.9 percent of the votes and 27 seats.

The alliance of the left-wing Socialist and Dialogue parties had 11.8 percent, meaning it would have 19 deputies in parliament.

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7:45 p.m.

An official from Hungary’s governing Fidesz party says the exceptionally high voter turnout in the country’s parliamentary election shows that “Hungarian democracy is strong.”

Parliamentary faction leader Gergely Gulyas said Sunday after polls closed that Hungary would have a “strong, legitimate parliament.”


Election officials said voter turnout was 68.1 percent by 6:30 p.m. (16:30 GMT), 30 minutes before the official end of voting.


Numerous voting stations remained open after the 7:00 p.m. deadline to accommodate the long lines of people waiting to vote.

Prime Minister Viktor Orban is seeking his third consecutive term. But the fate of the 199 parliamentary seats at stake in the election is hard to predict because of the higher-than-expected turnout.

Orban’s main challengers are Gabor Vona’s nationalist Jobbik party and a left-wing alliance of the Socialist and Dialogue parties led by Gergely Karacsony.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-latest-orban-says-election-is-about-hungarys-future/2018/04/08/84f76
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hungary election: Viktor Orbán projected to win big majority - live updates



Follow the latest developments as prime minister’s Fidesz party heads for victory after anti-immigration campaign

LIVE Updated 2m ago



Viktor Orbán speaks to supporters during the final rally before Sunday’s vote.
Viktor Orbán speaks to supporters during the final rally before Sunday’s vote. Photograph: Zsolt Szigetvary/EPA


Jennifer Rankin

Sun 8 Apr 2018 22.41 BST First published on Sun 8 Apr 2018 18.01 BST


Key events



4m ago Orbán claims victory


26m ago Hungarian opposition flounders


33m ago Viktor Orbán's ruling party projected to win supermajority


40m ago Viktor Orbán expected to win


2h ago Preliminary results delayed


2h ago Queues to vote in Budapest


4h ago 'Election could produce record turnout' - ruling party


34s ago
22:42



Orbán is leading the crowd in song - it is the anthem of the revolution from 1948, Euronews says. He finishes by saying “long live Hungary, thank you for everything.”


2m ago
22:41



Viktor Orbán continues by thanking “all the people who prayed for us and prayed for me personally”. Also on the list of thanks are the party volunteers and his wife.

He says we now have a major battle behind us. “This has been a decisive win... in the future we are going to be able to defend our mother country.”


4m ago
22:39


Orbán claims victory


“We have won.” With these three words Viktor Orbán began to address the crowds outside Fidesz headquarters.

He starts by congratulating the voters for turning out to vote. “Thank you for having placed your faith in us; thank you for having stuck with us.”



9m ago
22:34



Supporters of Viktor Orbán are in a jubilant mood as they await outside Fidesz party headquarters.


Waiting
Supporters of Fidesz party react after the announcement of the preliminary results of parliamentary election in Budapest, Hungary, April 8, 2018. REUTERS/Bernadett Szabo Photograph: Bernadett Szabo/Reuters

Thanks to Euronews, I can tell you the crowd are listening to Roxette’s Listen to Your Heart.

Updated at 10.37pm BST


13m ago
22:30



Here is how Hungary’s parliament will look, based on preliminary results with 75% of votes counted.
Fidesz-KDNP coalition 134 seats

Jobbik 26 seats

Socialists 20 seats


The remaining nine seats go to smaller parties.

And this is from Hungarian journalist, Andras Szabo.


Updated at 10.37pm BST



Shaun Walker is outside Fidesz election HQ, where Viktor Orbán is expected to speak soon.



Hungarian opposition flounders


With Fidesz predicted to win a supermajority in parliament, it is shaping up to be a bad night for the opposition.

The far-right Jobbik has won 20% of the preliminary result, while the Socialists have got 11.85%.



33m ago
22:10


Viktor Orbán's ruling party projected to win supermajority


The ruling Fidesz party of Viktor Orbán is projected to win 134 seats with 74.6% of votes counted, according to the national election website.

Updated at 10.11pm BST


35m ago
22:08


Shaun Walker Shaun Walker



The first results are finally out and it looks terrible for the opposition and a resounding win for Fidesz. The complicated electoral system means it is hard to tell how many seats in parliament Fidesz will win but it looks like they will certainly have a majority and may even get the two-thirds constitutional majority. A resounding win for Orbán after a day of quiet optimism among some of the opposition.

Updated at 10.11pm BST


40m ago
22:03


Viktor Orbán expected to win


Viktor Orbán is set for a third straight election win, preliminary results show.

Hungary’s ruling Fidesz party received 49.5% of votes on a national party list, according to preliminary results based on 69.1% of votes being counted.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/apr/08/hungary-election-victor-orban-expected-to-win-third-term-live-updates
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Viktor Orbán: re-election of Hungary’s anti-immigrant leader is major challenge for EU



Brussels now confronting a country at the heart of the continent that is making an exit from the bloc’s liberal values, but continuing to pick up the cheques



Jennifer Rankin

Mon 9 Apr 2018 01.14 BST Last modified on Mon 9 Apr 2018 10.31 BST


Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orbán greets supporters after being re-elected for a fourth term.



It’s a safe bet that few in Brussels are celebrating Viktor Orbán’s resounding win. Elected for a fourth term, Hungary’s anti-immigrant nationalist leader poses a profound challenge for the European Union.


Since returning as prime minister in 2010, Orbán and his Fidesz party have chipped away at Hungary’s democratic checks and balances, curbed judicial independence and clamped down on the independent media. Hungary’s democratic backsliding has been accompanied by a drumbeat of xenophobic rhetoric, directed against refugees, Brussels and George Soros.

The EU, used to grappling with Brexit, is now confronting a country at the heart of the continent making an exit from the club’s liberal values, but continuing to pick up the cheques.

The European commission, however, does not see a systemic problem. The current commission’s mandate ends in 2019 and many EU insiders think its president, Jean-Claude Juncker, is reluctant to pick a fight with Orbán.

Both politicians are members of the the European People’s Party, Europe’s dominant centre-right bloc, which has shielded Orbán from criticism. Before Sunday’s resounding win, some EPP members were hopeful Orbán would change. “He has been very outspoken, because he has been radicalised by the elections,” one EPP politician told the Guardian. “I think he will moderate and become more reasonable.”



People who have followed Orbán’s career are not convinced. “He is getting more and more ambitious,” said Laurent Pech, professor of European law at Middlesex University. “He feels that the political constellation is favouring him.”

The Hungarian leader’s approach to migration has been endorsed by allies in Bavaria and Austria. Allegations of misuse of EU funds have met a muted response from net payers to the EU budget. The previous commission froze EU funds for the Czech Republic, after corruption concerns emerged. While the EU’s anti-fraud office is investigating fishy cases in Hungary, money has continued to flow.


Orbán has compared his manoeuvres with Brussels to a “peacock dance”, cosmetic changes to appease EU officials, while persisting with the plan. But when it comes to a law that threatens the closure of the Central European University, “he didn’t back down,” Pech observes. “With CEU he didn’t follow the script.”


He has also refused to back down over a Russia-style NGO law that would require foreign-funded groups to label themselves as “organisations supported from abroad”. The commission is taking Hungary to the European court of justice over the CEU and the NGO laws. It is the same method used to tackle governments flouting EU rules on package holidays or water pollution.

Some MEPs think this technocratic approach is inadequate to deal with Hungary’s increasingly autocratic leader. The European parliament has begun a process that could see Hungary named and shamed under article 7, the EU’s rule of law procedure. But only governments can take decisions and the final step, suspension of voting rights, looks improbable.

A few member states would rather attach democratic strings to EU funds – an idea backed by France and Italy’s outgoing government, known as rule-of law conditionality. But the lag in agreeing and spending EU money, means such measures may not bite until 2024. “[By then] Orbán would be re-elected once more and use EU money as he has done so far,” says László Andor, a former Hungarian EU commissioner. “Rule of law conditionality is a fake solution.”

He would like the EU to change the management of funds. “Orbán and his entourage are helping themselves out of the coffers of the EU while they cut all the possible funds for pro-European civil society and media. So this is a paradox that needs to be resolved urgently.”

The EU is a club of liberal democracies that depends on independent courts and checks and balances in its member states. Despite the high stakes, there are few signs European leaders are ready to challenge Viktor Orbán.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/09/viktor-orban-re-election-hungarys-anti-immigrant-leader-major-challenge-for-eu
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Viktor Orbán: Only Fidesz can protect Hungary from Brussels, the UN, and George Soros



April 7, 2018 - Staff



Viktor Orbán: Only Fidesz can protect Hungary from Brussels, the UN, and George Soros 1
Prime Minister Viktor Orbán | Source: Echo TV

“They want to take our country away. Opposition parties in the service of foreign interests want to come to power. They want to give power to opposition politicians in the pay of foreigners so that they can demolish the fence and accept from the hand of Brussels the compulsory settlement quota, and in this way turn Hungary into a country of immigrants in order to serve the financial and power interests of their clients.”

“Tell everyone that they want to settle the first ten thousand migrants in Hungary yet this year. Tell everyone that they have made a pact with everyone from (DK chairman Ferenc) Gyurcsány to (Jobbik chairman Gábor) Vona. Tell everyone that immigration is the blight that slowly but surely devours our homeland. Tell everyone that we have to support migrants. If the settlement (of migrants) takes place, in vain will there be economic growth, there will be nothing with which to support families or to pay pensions. Tell everyone that mass migration threatens the everyday security to which we are accustomed. With mass migration comes a greater threat of terror. It is as clear as day that where there is mass migration, women are threatened with violent attacks.”

– Viktor Orbán in his final speech of the campaign, April 6th, 2018



The following is a rough English translation of the campaign speech delivered by Fidesz chairman Viktor Orbán in Székesfehérvâr on Friday, April 6th. You can watch the speech in the original Hungarian here:

Ladies and Gentlemen, people of Székesfehérvár!

It’s good to see all of you again here at home. This is officially known as the conclusion of a campaign. But the truth is that we have no intention of ending the campaign today. To the contrary, we want to launch a final “go for it.” We have to do this because elections are always decided at the end. In vain did we work splendidly over the past weeks if we neglect the end. Regardless of what happened so far in the campaign, and regardless of what our chances are, the election will be determined in 48 hours on the first Sunday.

My favorite political philosopher, a certain Rocky Balboa, said “the end is always at the end.” He’s right. Let’s listen to him.

People of Székesfehérvár!

This is our umpteenth election campaign. I remember elections when on Saturday we were in the majority, on Monday we were still in the majority, but on Sunday there weren’t enough of us. This cost Hungary eight years, at the end of which we could be happy with much sweat to get back on our feet. This is the lesson we got in 2002. The clever learn at the expense of others, the stupid at their own expense, and the hopeless not even then. But we are not at all a hopeless case, as proven by the fact that we concluding our second consecutive governing cycle.

And we can even pause here for a moment. One would think that an election campaign is completely pointless for a governing party. For what could be more truthful and real than the governance itself, its results, or reality itself. We might think that those who have well handled the problems of the country should not have to campaign, for the facts speak for themselves.

My experience of nearly thirty years shows otherwise. My experience is that the community of national citizens always likes to look to the future, even maniacally so. What happened, has already happened. He prepares for what awaits him, and what he personally expects from the leader.

Dear friends, respected people of Székesfehérvár!

We never sold you a pig in a poke. We’re not doing this now either. In the future we will govern in a manner that well represents the nation’s appetite for freedom, struggles for independence, and we will boldly represent what makes Hungarians Hungarian.

We undertake such politics that ensures a prestigious place among the nations for the Hungarians, and which ensures our nation’s place among the most deserving. That is what we undertake.

Dear friends!

The reason we’ve come together this afternoon is to discuss how we’re going to win on Sunday. Because on Sunday we are going to win. We have won many great battles together over the past several years. With appropriate modesty, this entitles us to declare that on Sunday we will once again win. We have even won battles which, at first glance, many said could not be won. They appeared unwinnable because previously others systematically broke their pocket knives. They appeared unwinnable because the opposing power seemed bigger, richer, or more powerful than we Hungarians. And they appeared unwinnable because we had to struggle against a wind which previously simply blew others off the field.

While most wouldn’t have given a “lyukas gara” for it, we were able to save the economy that was headed for bankruptcy, and stand it on its feet. We were able to send home the IMF, which others only dared address with frequent apologies. In fact, we didn’t just send them home, but liberated ourselves from the slavery of indebtedness. We taxed the banks and the multinationals and we gave this money to families. We decreased household utility costs, and created a work-based society from large-scale unemployment. We protected pensions, paid pension premiums, and achieved double-digit wage increases. And we stopped the first large wave of migration. We proved that the era of nations had not ended. In fact, we announced the renaissance of national thinking, culture, and politics. We provide that the Christian way of life does not belong to the past. To the contrary, that this is something we take and need to take along with ourselves into the future. These were all battles that we won. These outline the road that we have traveled the past eight years. And it is with these victories that we line up for Sunday’s fateful matter.

Dear people of Székesfehérvár!

On Sunday an election will take place that determines our fate. There are elections that are not fate-determining. And there are those which are. In elections that are not fate-determining, we only elect representatives. In ones that are fate-determining, in addition to representatives we also elect a future. In the non fate-determining elections, only the next four years are at stake. In fate-determining ones many decades. In non-fate-determining elections, it is possible to make corrections four years later. However, the results of fate-determining ones are irreparable, final, and cannot be undone. At best we can live with the consequences.

It was in 1990 at the end of Communism when we last stood at such a crossroads. Freedom or oppression. Independence or occupation by foreign troops. Finally we sent the Soviet troops home, to which we attached communism, and we scuttled it. We took back the country and a free Hungary was born.

Today, 28 years on, the situation is that they want to take our country away. Opposition parties in the service of foreign interests want to come to power. They want to give power to opposition politicians in the pay of foreigners so that they can demolish the fence and accept from the hand of Brussels the compulsory settlement quota, and in this way turn Hungary into a country of immigrants in order to serve the financial and power interests of their clients.

On Sunday the future of Hungary will be irreparably determined for many decades to come. If the levy breaks, if they open the borders, if migrants enter the country, there is no way back. In vain would they like to, not even the Chancellor of Germany has the power to turn back the cogs of history.

Respected ladies and gentlemen!

Why are we gathered here today in Székesfehérvár? It is not because I attended high school here. However, if I’m grateful to Széekesfehérvár, I’m also grateful to the Teleki Blanka high school, as well as the MÁV Előre (sports club).

Actually, the reason we are gathered here is to give weight and gravity to our words. The reason we came together here is to demonstrate the seriousness of our intentions, the strength of our determination, and the firmness of our resolve. We wanted to stand here where one thousand years ago the Hungarian temple of heroes stood. We wanted to stand here where the Christian kingdom of Hungary was born. Where the founders of the country understood the gravity of their mission and their work and fulfilled their mission. We wanted to assemble here where the chapter of the Christian statehood began that continues to this day. This is where we really feel what is at stake in the struggle before us on Sunday. When we stand in this place we must withstand its gaze and we must subject ourselves to its status. Their country stands before us. Three dates: 1001 – The coronation of Szent István. 1688, the liberation of the (Buda) castle from the Turkish occupation. 1938, the 900th anniversary of the death of Saint István. What they founded, and for which they fought, what they defended and retain, we also need to retain and defend and, when the time comes, give over to our children and grandchildren. Hungary is our home. We have no other. We need to protect it. We need to defend it. Because without it we are homeless orphans and beggars in the big world.

Finally, dear people of Székesfehérvár, the only question I need to answer is what we need to do and what more can we do. The first and most important is for us to tell everyone what danger threatens our country. We struggled together with the Hungarian people to achieve the results of the past years. Together we achieved that finally there is a future worth defending. Look around. We are not exactly living in the western world. Europe is burdened by numerous problems. Armies are fighting in our eastern neighbor. A trade war looms between Europe and the United States. But the greatest danger among them is that millions of migrants threaten from the south. European leaders together with a billionaire speculator do not want to defend our borders but rather to admit migrants. That’s the truth. We built the fence, we defended the southern border, and said no to every attempt on Brussels’ part to settle migrants here. But the danger has not passed. They can hardly wait to start again. We have 48 hours to tell this again to everybody with the requisite strength. This is not an easy task. They deny and lie. They prevaricate and defame. There is censorship. Films are deleted. Videos are banned. That is why we need to speak clearly and precisely. We need to speak openly and directly about the kind of future Brussels, the United Nations and George Soros’ workshops have planned for us.

I learned at the high school here in Székesfehérvár, perhaps from Karinthy, I will quote, I am not allowed to tell anyone, so I will tell it to everyone. Tell everyone that they want to settle the first ten thousand migrants in Hungary yet this year. Tell everyone that they have made a pact with everyone from (DK chairman Ferenc) Gyurcsány to (Jobbik chairman Gábor) Vona. Tell everyone that immigration is the blight that slowly but surely devours our homeland. So tell everyone that we have to support migrants. If the settlement (of migrants) takes place, in vain will there be economic growth, there will be nothing with which to support families or to pay pensions. Tell everyone that mass migration threatens the everyday security to which we are accustomed. With mass migration comes a greater threat of terror. It is as clear as day that where there is mass migration, women are threatened with violent attacks.

Respected ladies and gentlemen, dear friends!

Finally I ask that you think over what is really important in our lives. Family, our children, our human dignity, our freedom, our culture, and our homeland. All of this needs to be defended by us now. The tasks have been simplified at the end of the campaign. We can choose between two futures. The one is preferred by Soros’s candidates. The other is represented by Fidesz and the Christian Democrats. For us Hungary is first. For them George Soros and the power he offers comes first. They are capable of doing anything for money and power.

Dear friends, respected ladies and gentlemen. You know me. Perhaps you believe that I do not bend before every wind. But alone I don’t get anywhere. And in the important moments of the months and years to follow I need every representative in parliament. When it is necessary to defend the country, when it is necessary to say no to Brussels’ settlement plans, you can only count on our candidates.

Dear friends, in the remaining 48 hours, we also have to make sure that we remain disciplined and committed. Please do not give in to protest, do not give in to carelessness, and let us not believe that victory is at hand. Let us not believe the public opinion polls. We don’t need to win opinion polls but the election on Sunday evening. We have learned that victory never falls in our laps. We have always had to work twice as hard for success as others. And that will be true on Sunday as well. Everybody who wants to protect Hungary for the Hungarians must go to vote, and both votes must be given to Fidesz. Only that is certain. Everything else is a waste and can endanger our future. The countdown has begun. We’ve got 48 hours to take everyone to vote. Each person has two votes. Many millions of Hungarians, many millions of votes. This stands in opposition to many millions of dollars. And I believe it is not possible to defeat the will of many millions of Hungarians with money.

Dear friends, finally even in times of greatest struggle find in your hearts and see in your neighbor a friend and fellow countryman. We are all of the same blood, said the son of the wolf, and he is right. It binds our hearts, our memories, and our loyalty to our country. All of us are Hungarians. To be Hungarian means we love our homeland and respect each other. So long as this remains, the Hungarians needn’t fear the most powerful and the richest enemies. We have plenty of time to learn. So long as we stay together, we will always win. Raiser the banners in the direction of victory.. Go for it, Hungary! Go for it, Hungarians!


https://budapestbeacon.com/viktor-orban-only-fidesz-can-protect-hungary-from-brussels-the-un-and-george-soros/
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When does the EU hit a crisis? First was Brexit and Merkel's destructive immigration policy -- and now a Trump-like figure holds onto power with a landslide in his third term. The Euroskeptics are winning big-time.

The old communist countries are in the lead in this. At the heart of the problem is this: there are very strong national cultures in Europe, and they don't want to be submerged in the new massive bureaucratic state. They want the customs union without the political union.

At some point, this means -- for example -- the Queen of England could be compelled to have her Prime Minister turn the Royal Navy over to the EU', whose combined navy might be led by an Italian or a Greek. Do you get my drift? This is a problem.

(The EU also looks on the British monarchy as a sexist institution that privileges boys.)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( liberals are up in arms because Harper dared to congratulate Orban on his election victory which doesn't seem like a big deal to me , liberals congratulate left wing leaders all the time but to do the same for a centre right leader is a national outrage seriously ? get over it )



Former PM Harper congratulates Hungary’s populist leader on election victory


By Teresa Wright, The Canadian Press — Apr 10 2018


OTTAWA — Former prime minister Stephen Harper raised eyebrows Monday when he publicly offered his congratulations to Viktor Orban, after the controversial leader was re-elected as prime minister of Hungary.

In a tweet late Monday, Harper congratulated Orban — whose election platform openly demonized migrants and asylum seekers in Europe as a security threat — for winning "a decisive fourth term" for his Fidesz party, which now holds a two-thirds majority in Hungary's national legislature.

In February, Harper was unanimously elected chairman of the International Democratic Union (IDU), a centre-right organization made up of more than 80 conservative political parties worldwide, including Orban's Fidesz.

"Congratulations to Prime Minister Viktor Orban and Hungary's Fidesz for winning a decisive fourth term! The IDU and I are looking forward to working with you," Harper tweeted.

The post prompted a number of Twitter users to point out Orban's right-wing, populist political ideology and controversial political policies.

Pollster Frank Graves, president of Ekos Research Associates, said he was so surprised by the former Conservative prime minister's tweet, he thought Harper's account had been hacked.

"Mr. Harper is a pretty shrewd character and I thought it, frankly, showed a lack of judgment on his part," Graves said Tuesday in an interview.

"There's a lot of deep skepticism about Mr. Orban and particularly his policies such that I would have thought this would be an area where you would want to give a pass."

The former prime minister did not respond directly to requests for comment, but Rachel Curran, a senior associate at Harper's consulting company, Harper & Associates, said the tweet was simply a standard communication about the activity of a member party.

"He's not pronouncing on the merits of Mr. Orban's government or his political campaign, he's simply congratulating him as a successful member of the IDU who recently received a massive democratic mandate from Hungarians," Curran said.

Some people have been using the tweet to "get a shot at Mr. Harper," she added.

Curran stressed that it would be inappropriate for Harper to comment or interfere in the domestic politics of any member of the IDU. But she added Harper is interested in looking at ways to make the organization more active and effective.

"That's just who Mr. Harper is. He'll try and put his own stamp on the organization and get it doing something useful and productive."

Canada's Liberals wasted little time in seeking to capitalize politically on the tweet.

Marco Mendicino, parliamentary secretary for justice, called on Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer and Conservative MP Tony Clement to denounce Harper's congratulatory message to Orban, or risk being tied to it.

Clement is vice-chairman of the IDU and Scheer has close personal ties with Harper, Mendicino said.

"It's time for Mr. Scheer and Mr. Clement and others in the party to and say, 'We don't support the kind of heavy-handedness that we see in Mr. Orban'."

International observers of the Hungarian election from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe issued a statement saying "intimidating and xenophobic rhetoric" from state-run media and "opaque campaign financing" limited the opportunity for genuine political debate during the campaign.

Regardless of his roles and responsibilities with the IDU, Harper's tweet could be interpreted as a him being happy about Orban's electoral success, Graves said.

"It's very controversial whether this is a good or bad thing and what kind of forces are at play here," he said of Oban's electoral victory.

"I just think this is not a good area to be saying, 'I'm really happy Mr. Orban won this,' because there certainly going to be a lot of people in the advanced, western societies who would not share that view."


https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2018/04/10/stephen-harper-tweets-congratulations-to-viktor-orban-for-election-victory-3/#.Ws1JYEn2Zjr
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This column strikes me as one written from other sources, and seems to damn Stephen Harper by association with a monster..

Orban has won three elections and has a bigger majority than ever. I am sure Hungarians know what he's about. Is this what a rigged election looks like? Maybe, in dictatorships, but Hungary is a free nation. They simply have a sense of themselves as a nation.

We Canadians have no such sense, but it shouldn't be dismissed as something irrational and of no material value. Not true.

I think the best way to understand the EU is that the economic union was a huge success, a free trade area bigger than North America's. But the political union is a bust. Big chunks of all the European nations want to go on being Dutch or Italian or British or German or whatever. They want their own governments to run their affairs, because they understand where the national parties stand in their own nation-states.

This is hugely intensified by the Islamic migrations into Europe. That simple. Moslems do not assimilate. They form ghettoes and try to take over the public space.

It isn't about the second coming of the Nazis. It's not nationalism that is eying anyone else's territory. It's nationalism that simply means to keep what it has.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( now the CBC Is also trying to jump on the story if there really even is one here , harper's tweet was by no way an endorsement of his anti immigrant policy rather a former world leader congratulating another on an election victory and nothing more )


Stephen Harper criticized for congratulating Hungary's Orban following anti-immigrant campaign



Orban claimed third consecutive mandate Sunday after riling up anti-migrant sentiment


Marc-André Cossette · CBC News · Posted: Apr 10, 2018 6:11 PM ET | Last Updated: April 10


Hardline Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán delivers a campaign speech after claiming a third consecutive term on Sunday. (Ferenc Isza/AFP/Getty Images)


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Former prime minister Stephen Harper is being criticized for congratulating Hungary's Viktor Orban on his election victory, despite the concerns of international observers who say the campaign was tainted by hostile anti-immigrant rhetoric.

Harper tweeted his congratulations to Orban Monday evening after the Hungarian prime minister and his Fidesz party cruised to a third consecutive mandate, securing a two-thirds majority in Sunday's vote.


Harper made the comments in his role as chairman of the International Democrat Union, an alliance of more than 80 centre-right parties from around the world which includes the Conservative Party of Canada.

Observers from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe have expressed concerns about the Hungarian election campaign, saying that political debate was stifled by "intimidating and xenophobic rhetoric, media bias and opaque campaign financing."

Riling up anti-migrant sentiment


Throughout the campaign, Orban railed against the United Nations, the European Union, Hungarian-American billionaire George Soros and the civic groups he funds, accusing them of plotting to turn Hungary into an "immigrant country" and erase its Christian identity.

"I don't think [Harper] has much of an idea of what's going on in Hungary," said Robert Austin, an associate professor at the Munk School of Global Affairs and an expert on the politics and history of Central Europe.


"That was true when he was in power. Canada was always noticeably silent about some of the issues that other states had raised about shortcomings in Hungarian democracy."


Syrian migrants cross under a fence as they enter Hungary at the border with Serbia, near Roszke in August 2015. (Bernadett Szabo/Reuters)

Since coming to power in 2010, Austin said, Orban has upended Hungary's democracy, pursuing divisive and anti-liberal policies as part of his plan to create a "Hungary for the Hungarians."

Along with seizing on the 2015 refugee crisis as an opportunity to whip up latent anti-migrant sentiment, he said, Orban has pushed judicial appointments that line up with his political views and clamped down on media outlets that he deemed unfriendly to his government.


Thousands of Hungarians, mostly students, protested in April 2017 against what they said were attempts by Orbán's Fidesz government to silence critical voices. (Bernadett Szabo/Reuters)

Last year, Orban also moved to shut down the Central European University in Budapest. Led by former Liberal Party of Canada leader Michael Ignatieff, the school is largely funded by its founder, George Soros — someone the ruling Fidesz party considers an ideological enemy.

"The prime minister of Hungary has no time for democracy," Austin said. "He shut the door on that a long time ago. He's building something totally different."

Customary congratulations

Rachel Curran, Harper's former policy director and now a senior associate at Harper and Associates, said Harper's tweet should not be seen as making any sort of comment on Orban or his policies.

"He's not offering his views or opinions on Mr. Orban's government or his party," she said. "He is in his capacity as chair of the IDU congratulating him on his political success, which in its instance has included a massive democratic mandate from Hungarians."

Congratulatory messages are sent out regularly to IDU member parties that win election, Curran said, adding that the practice started long before Harper's appointment as the alliance's chair.



Former prime minister Stephen Harper became chairman of the International Democrat Union in February 2018. He has said the values shared by its member parties are "central to peace and global security." (Reuters)

Curran also rejected the suggestion that Harper could have done anything apart from offer the customary congratulations to Orban, adding that it would be "totally inappropriate" for him to send a political message to a member party of the IDU.

"The chair of the IDU isn't in the position of pronouncing on the particular practices or the particular election tactics of member parties," she said. "That's just not the role."

Still, many on Twitter criticized Harper for congratulating Orban, citing the Hungarian leader's anti-democratic policies.


Government of Canada responds

In response to Orban's election, a spokesperson for the Minister of Foreign Affairs said Canada remains committed to fostering open, inclusive and democratic societies.

"As a NATO ally and EU member state, Hungary must ensure the protection of human and democratic rights — including the rights of a free press and civil society," Adam Austen said.

"Our government has made its concerns clear, including about the actions taken against the Central European University. This is an issue that the Minister has raised directly with her Hungarian counterpart.‎"


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( the supposedly offensive tweet , makes no mention of the EU or the UN , no endorsement of anti immigrant policy , simply a congratulations of his election victory which was a clear victory across all of hungary )



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Congratulations to Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and Hungary's Fidesz for winning a decisive fourth term! The IDU and I are looking forward to working with you.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People should realize that people who win re-election for the third time are doing something right, and in accordance with the broad mainstream of population. Hungary is not a terror state controlled by some new Stalin. Orban is probably more akin to FDR, who also won four terms, and was widely loved or hated, but mostly loved.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People should realize that people who win re-election for the third time are doing something right,

I guess so....Liberals will win again huh?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
People should realize that people who win re-election for the third time are doing something right, and in accordance with the broad mainstream of population. Hungary is not a terror state controlled by some new Stalin. Orban is probably more akin to FDR, who also won four terms, and was widely loved or hated, but mostly loved.




my understand is its typically not considered diplomatically acceptable for a country to come out publicly against another countries democratic elections results


so that would make it highly unusual for Canada to essentially be telling Hungary they got it wrong and shouldn't of voted for Orban


the liberals by criticising harper's tweet are essentially complaining about another countries election results , and indicating they didn't get the result they were hoping for or there friend Soros didn't get the result he wanted


but this liberal government has shown a willingness to praise other liberal style governments well criticising right of centre ones so its not exactly surprising
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