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RCO





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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:
Ya know, I have to say I just love when you two go full on xxxxxx. It makes this easy for me.

Lets have a peak at the absurdness of your position(s) shall we?

1)RCO- just it seems like an extremely harsh sentence for what he is admitting to have done , which is an inapproiate conversation on his blackberry , one night 5 years ago
- Take it up with the PC party , not the general public who by the way had nothing to do with this.

2)RCO- all because of an incident from 5 years ago he seems to admit happened and was not approiate

whatever happened to the days when an apology and I'm sorry for my actions was good enough ? these days those making the accusations want blood and want to see lives ruined literally

- Those days sailed, happily. She was his intern....HIS intern, meaning he had a duty to be respectful . Guess what? He wasnt. Next !

3)RCO - and we seem to have set the bar much higher for our politicians than the general public
-We have ? Ask Travis Kalanick , Harvey Weinstein , Roy Price...shall I go on? IN other words, you are completely wrong on this part.

4)RCO- lets be honest if we had a room full of 30 younger people aged 18-30 and asked them to put up there hand if they had a similar conversation on there phone at some point and had requested a revealing photo or shared one , what % would raise there hands ?


my guess it would be a lot of them , this kind of thing goes on all the time , the youth are doing this sort of thing everyday and think nothing of it

- Hmm...maybe 90%? Who knows?
Of course, who cares since this is wholly irrelevant . How many of them are bosses to the disgruntled ? Position of power? Oh.....maybe 0% ?

5)RCO- I'm just saying I'm skeptical as to why now ?
- Again, ask the damn PC party "why now" ?
You do realize that the PC party had this information 3 years ago.

Repeat after me.....Three (3) years ago, 1095 days ago, 36 months ago.....

But dont worry RCO, I left the most silly statement to last , which I will note you didnt post.

6) On the other hand, anyone who 'thinks women don't lie is just stoopid. How can TC tell she's the righteous one? Is this the automatic assumption that all men are potential rapists again?

TC said the same thing when PB got mowed down by the casino-owners/money-launders. Same technique. The really stupid ones believed it!


- LOL...well first of all, Harris confirmed it, as did the PC Party so we know factually that this woman didnt lie. SO there goes your first point, right out the window. LOL!
-and....PB and the PC Party confirmed PB did something wrong and punished him for it. So there goes the second point.

But hey...you are failthful little foot soldiers, naive ones too but thats a good thing to have when all you can see is PC blue.

You guys dont read much do you ?

How embarassing for you both.



no one is saying Michael Harris' actions back in 2013 were approiate , he admits the conversation crossed the line

but I still feel the punishment is rather harsh for a moment 5 years ago when he made a bad decision


this woman is also not claiming to have been sexually harassed long term or sexual assaulted , it seems to all centre around a text conversation and possibly a run in at queens park


whatever reasons she choose to do nothing about this incident for over 5 years , waiting until a couple weeks before the election to complain to the pc party , it seems fishy at best as to her sudden reasons , she knew this mpp was up for re election and that her complaint would derail those plans


you also haven't explained why its ok for wynne to hide the identity of liberal mpp's / former liberal mpp's facing similar complaints

we don't know the identity of the 2 liberal mpp's she had to deal with back in 2014 who had faced accusations of sexual harassment ?

or who the Peterson era cabinet minister / former liberal mpp which was recently accused of sexual assault by an intern ?

why is it ok for her to protect members of the liberal family but its ok to demonise pc mpp's over similar incidents ?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He confirmed the conversation took place. But he is not confirming what the supposed victim made of the conversation. RCO is even more right to be suspicious if this has been known in the party for all this time.

What the mocking loon says is dismissive. You have to wonder what kind of innocent TC is? He seems like one of these vinyl love guys, you know, always uses a condom, on top of her pill and maybe a little foam ... and wash your hands, for gawd's sake, before you put that thing on!

You know the kind of antiseptic sex that is taught in biology class.

But out here, where the 'ham & eggers' dwell, it isn't like that. Courtship at the beginning is a matter of sideways glances, smiles and gestures. The age-old ritual dance of the sexes still goes on, the allure of one drawing out the allure in the other.
It's like a tango. (I only tell TC this because he so clearly doesn't know anything of romance.)

And that code says that it is up the man to verbalize feelings ... but a man rarely proposes a sexual tryst without having received signals that the object of his desire is at least willing to walk down that path a few more steps ... even more so if those people are married. Because the point of the dance seems to be to avoid rejection.

What TC refuses to acknowledge, in his superficial way, is the part that women play in soliciting offers. It's a $billion industry. Cosmetics, hair treatments, fashion, shoes, my gawd don't forget the shoes ... and the padded push-up or keep in undergarments ... culminating in the trophy handbags that say "I am so much in control of a successful man I can get him to buy me an overpriced mass produced fashion cliche like this Gucci bag."

TC is blind to all that because they didn't cover that in the classes where they took the dimmer boys and showed them how to put condoms on bananas.

In my time, if you got to Grade 10, you could figure that one out. In the dark. In the back seat of a Chevvy.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell ya what RCO.

I promise to reply when you have read up on what has gone down. As of right now, you are coming from a really bad place.

For the record, check out....
-Who is punioshing whom. (Hint- it aint the public)
-who knew what and for how long.(Hint, she didnt just come out)
-what does Wynne have to do with this? (Hint-nothing. )

Geebus dude, could you get more wrong?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya know bugs, you prove yourself an idiot time and time again.

You get your ass handed to you, as I just did, and you come back with some really weird post about sex and bananas? Oh my .... kind of funny in a " look at the idiot spewing nonsensical crap " way.


Quote:
Courtship at the beginning is a matter of sideways glances, smiles and gestures.


Thats because Dad was at the table and you were trying (again) to get with your sister.

Ham and egger, its only fun if its relative !

LOL! A bag of hammers hasnt a thing on you .
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:
Tell ya what RCO.

I promise to reply when you have read up on what has gone down. As of right now, you are coming from a really bad place.

For the record, check out....
-Who is punioshing whom. (Hint- it aint the public)
-who knew what and for how long.(Hint, she didnt just come out)
-what does Wynne have to do with this? (Hint-nothing. )

Geebus dude, could you get more wrong?



I think Michael Harris personal statement from yesterday best explained this situation and I don't feel the need to keep commenting on it


I wasn't saying wynne had anything to do with this , my point was that I felt it was wrong for the media and liberals to try and use this against the pc's

when the liberals aren't being honest with the public about there own sexual harassment issues


why is it a secret ? as to who this former Peterson era mpp is that was accused of sexual assault ? why does wynne think it is ok to keep this from the public , they have a right to know the identity of this former public figure
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crunch time for Kitchener-Conestoga PC Association after Harris kicked out of caucus


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by Caryn Ceolin
Posted Apr 10, 2018 4:36 pm EDT



The PC riding association for Kitchener-Conestoga is regrouping, after Michael Harris was ousted from the Tory caucus over allegations of inappropriate texting with a former intern.

A statement released Tuesday from the president of the riding association, Donald Kilimnik, says board members plan to meet in person as soon as possible to discuss their next steps.

With just two months to go to election day, the riding association will have to organize a nomination meeting very soon. Right now there is no confirmed candidate seeking to represent the PC’s in Kitchener-Conestoga.

Before the Harris complaint came to light, his wife Sarah announced she was interested in running, but won’t say if that’s still the case.

In an email to our newsroom, Sarah says her and Michael are taking a couple of days with their family.

Kilimnik did not reply to questions from 570 NEWS about her candidacy.


http://www.570news.com/2018/04.....ed-caucus/
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:
Ya know bugs, you prove yourself an idiot time and time again.

You get your ass handed to you, as I just did, and you come back with some really weird post about sex and bananas? Oh my .... kind of funny in a " look at the idiot spewing nonsensical crap " way.


Quote:
Courtship at the beginning is a matter of sideways glances, smiles and gestures.


Thats because Dad was at the table and you were trying (again) to get with your sister.

Ham and egger, its only fun if its relative !

LOL! A bag of hammers hasnt a thing on you .


I told you TC doesn't have a clue about Romance! Ahh, the sad story of the attention-starved beta male ...

Does TC ever have anything sensible to say? This is only an outburst of inane insults, insults that don't even fit and aren't even germane to the discussion.

When I insult him, at least it's true. I mean, who would ever call TC "deep"? Or accuse him of having any class?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:


I think Michael Harris personal statement from yesterday best explained this situation and I don't feel the need to keep commenting on it

Which statement ? The one on the radio.." I need surgery on my eyes"...or the one later on went he got caught out?

Quote:

I wasn't saying wynne had anything to do with this , my point was that I felt it was wrong for the media and liberals to try and use this against the pc's

So.... no PC member would use a scandal about Wynne et al should it (and it has) occur?

Preposterous. They would do the same. And have.
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when the liberals aren't being honest with the public about there own sexual harassment issues


why is it a secret ? as to who this former Peterson era mpp is that was accused of sexual assault ? why does wynne think it is ok to keep this from the public , they have a right to know the identity of this former public figure

On its own it is a valid question.

When used in the manner you did , it becomes "wah wah...but the liberals"

It still sounds like you and bugs are blaming the victim.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:


I told you TC doesn't have a clue about Romance!


Oh I do thanks, but what does it matter.
At least I wasnt trying it all on my sister or cousin. LOL!

Quote:
Ahh, the sad story of the attention-starved beta male ...

Does TC ever have anything sensible to say?


Well yes I do.

Frankly you have been embarassed so live with it.

What you fail here is the fact that you brought in romance and all this other shite when we are talking about Harris and his improper actions.

What does any of what you wrote have to do with this?
Nothing, but deflection as you had been pantsed horribly.

Thanks for the laughs ya ham and egger. You prove it with each post.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TC thinks that it doesn't matter if a woman plays her part in turning an attraction into a life-changing situation. Two different things he snorts (without justification)!

Must we really pretend that women don't act seductively to get what they want? Do they not create situations just to see if they are still attractive? TC doesn't even know what Gucci bags are all about. (He probably thinks the quality justifies the price. Or that it's fashion.)

Sorry, I just don't see a married Mike Harris would expose himself like this without having some encouragement from the other end.

And it's obviously being used in a political struggle years after the events. RCO has every reason to be suspicious.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Race to replace ousted MPP Michael Harris heats up

News 08:22 AM by Greg Mercer  Waterloo Region Record|


Kitchener-Conestoga MPP Michael Harris was ejected from the Progressive Conservative caucus on Monday. - Andrew Ryan , Waterloo Region Record



KITCHENER — In the hours after MPP Michael Harris' political career was sunk by a sexting scandal, the race to replace him in Kitchener-Conestoga was already heating up.

The PC Party of Ontario sees Kitchener-Conestoga as a seat it expects to win again, and potential Tory candidates are quietly lining up supporters behind the scenes. Don Kilimnik, head of the party's riding association, said his board will meet soon to begin planning for a new nomination contest — with election day less than two months away.

The sudden departure of Harris, a two-time incumbent who seemed confident of winning a third term, could be seen as a gift to challengers hoping to beat the PCs on June 7. That includes Liberal candidate Joe Gowing, the NDP's Kelly Dick, Libertarian Daniel Benoy and the Green Party's Bob Jonkman.


"I didn't believe it at first. It was a big shock," said Gowing, a local banker and former trustee on the Waterloo Catholic District School Board.


Whoever the Tories pick to replace Harris will have to rush to get their campaign up and running — and may have to answer nagging questions about sexual misconduct allegations that have plagued the PC party, he said.

"It's always better when you don't have to run against an incumbent ... and I think this will still be in the back of the minds of voters," Gowing said.

The Liberals last won the riding in 2007, when Leeanna Pendergast won almost 42 per cent of the vote in the sprawling, largely rural riding, beating Harris by almost 2,000 votes.

Since then, the PCs have finished first — sending Harris to the legislature with 44 per cent of votes in 2011 and 36 per cent in 2014.

Five years ago, the Harris story might have played out differently. But given the power of the #MeToo movement, no one should be surprised at how quickly the PC Party dropped Harris when the allegations came out.

"We have seen a very significant, and very fast, cultural shift when it comes to this stuff," said Emmett Macfarlane, an associate professor of political science at the University of Waterloo.


"It meant as soon as those allegations came to light, Michael Harris' fate was sealed."

He doesn't think the Harris scandal will have any lasting effect on the Tories' chances in the riding. Instead, voters in this region tend to make their choices based less on the local candidate, and more on the parties themselves, their leaders and platforms.

With the Tories still leading in the polls, whoever replaces Harris for the PCs could still have a good shot at winning the riding — even if time is not on their side.

"Even a rookie candidate for the PC Party, in this context, would have a pretty good chance," Macfarlane said.

When former PC leader Patrick Brown was forced to resign over sexual misconduct allegations in January, the polls barely registered a blip. Voters are simply too keen for a change in government after 15 years of Liberal rule, he said.

"We haven't seen this much appetite for change in quite a while," Macfarlane said.

"There's little evidence Patrick Brown did anything to damage the fortunes of the party. In fact, it was shocking fast how quickly the public moved on from it."

Politicians on all sides of the spectrum, meanwhile, have been quick to distance themselves from Harris and condemn sexual misconduct.

Kitchener-Waterloo NDP MPP Catherine Fife said she was hosting her "girls' government" group at Queen's Park, a program designed to encourage young women to enter politics, when the news about Harris broke.

"I have worked very hard to encourage more women and girls to participate in politics, and (these) allegations about a member in Waterloo Region does a disservice to every young woman in Ontario who dreams of a career in public service," Fife said.

"I am angry and shocked to hear these allegations about Michael Harris. It's never OK to sexualize, harass, or assault anyone in any workplace anywhere in this province."

Mary Henein Thorn, the PC candidate for Kitchener Centre, said she was satisfied with Harris' admission that his behaviour was inappropriate. Through her involvement with the Waterloo Region Women's Municipal Campaign School, and her party's own PC Party Women in Politics events, she's hoping to encourage more women to play bigger roles in politics.

"All allegations of workplace sexual misconduct have to be taken seriously. All politicians must take responsibility for creating an equal and safe work environment for women," she said.

Amy Fee, the PC candidate in Kitchener South-Hespeler and a mother of four, said there's no place for sexual harassment in politics or anywhere else.

"We all need to take a stand against any form of harassment including sexual harassment and create environments where no one is afraid to speak out," Fee said.

"When we draw attention to important issues, we can break down the barriers surrounding them."


https://www.therecord.com/news-story/8385485-race-to-replace-ousted-mpp-michael-harris-heats-up/
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( meanwhile the ndp have banned a potential candidate from running over inapproiate instagram posts , apparently he posted comments about being hung over after new years eve and a couple other drunken posts deemed bad by those who saw them )



NDP ban Kenora candidate hopeful over bare butt photo


Old pictures and other posts on Matt Soprovich's social media feeds have sunk political dreams with the NDP, he says in a release.
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Kenora-Rainy River NDP hopeful Matt Soprovich (Facebook/Fort Frances Times)



2 / 2 The profile pic on former NDP hopeful Matt Soprovich appears to have drawn afoul of party leadership, who have banned him from running for the Kenora nomination.

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Kenora-Rainy River NDP hopeful Matt Soprovich (Facebook/Fort Frances Times)
The profile pic on former NDP hopeful Matt Soprovich appears to have drawn afoul of party leadership, who have banned him from running for the Kenora nomination.


KENORA, Ont. – A Kenora NDP hopeful says he’s been told by party officials he’s been disqualified from the nomination process because of past content on his social media feed.

Matt Soprovich, a staffer with outgoing NDP MPP Sarah Campbell, acknowledged three social media posts in particular seemed to have upset party brass, adding the offending content includes a picture that shows his bare bottom.

Another Instagram post depicts him ripping off his shirt a la Hulk Hogan and then on New Year’s Day, 2013 he posted about being so hung over he fell back asleep and had a dream about being hung over.


“It would appear that five years ago I enjoyed New Year's Eve so much that I drank excessively and as a result experienced a hangover so awful that I would still be paying for it over half a decade later,” Soprovich said in a release issued on Tuesday.

He added the news came as a complete surprise.

“Party officials in Toronto have rejected my application for candidacy, without consultation, question or any legitimate right of appeal. I've been declined. Denied. Disqualified,” he said.

“There has been no regard for the level of support I've received from members in this riding – one which has been faithful to the provincial NDP for decades. Not even a thanks for coming, better luck next time.

Soprovich said it’s his own fault.


“I understand the world that we live in, where any ill timed or unfortunate photo from college can be dredged up at a moment's notice. Whether this should be considered fair or not is moot. This is what I signed up for. I did not take the time to scrub and hide the social media past of my youth as extensively as I should have, and I have no one to blame for that but myself,” he said.

Soprovich said none of the posts questioned by NDP leadership was adverse to or critical of NDP policy, its leaders or values, or demeaning to people in any way.

https://www.tbnewswatch.com/local-news/ndp-ban-kenora-candidate-hopeful-over-social-media-feed-889402
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