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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( so much for the idea that Ford is unpopular , clearly a media myth that has no basis in fact other than maybe downtown Toronto )


Progressive Conservatives driving towards majority government, poll suggests


The Ontario election in June is “Doug Ford’s to lose,” according to the results of an exclusive poll. It also suggested Kathleen Wynne’s Liberals have less than half the number of “locked-in” voters as Ford.



Results of a poll conducted this week challenge accepted wisdom about new PC Leader Doug Ford, according to Eli Yufest of Campaign Research Inc. The “voter gap analysis” shows Ford and the Tories have greater appeal than either of the other two main parties, the poll found.


By Peter EdwardsStaff Reporter

Sat., March 17, 2018



Doug Ford’s Progressive Conservatives appear well on the way to forming a majority government in June at Queen’s Park, if a recent poll holds true.

“If an election were held tomorrow, there’s no doubt it would be a Doug Ford majority,” said Eli Yufest, CEO of Campaign Research Inc., in an interview.

“This is basically Doug Ford’s to lose,” Yufest said.

The poll’s results were drawn from online questioning between March 12 and 14. It surveyed 766 men and 845 women, and had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.4 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

Pollsters conducted “voter gap analysis,” asking respondents which party they would vote for and if they would consider supporting any other political parties.


The results indicated that 65 per cent of voters wouldn’t consider voting Liberal, compared to 58 per cent who wouldn’t support the NDP and 49 per cent who wouldn’t vote Tory.

“Basically half of the electorate are open to voting for (the Conservatives),” Yufest said.

Those results challenge some accepted wisdom about Ford, Yufest added in a written statement.


“Since Doug Ford’s election as leader of the PCs, the prevalent narrative has been that Doug Ford is immensely unpopular and polarizing,” he said.

“This voter gap analysis clearly illustrates that Doug Ford and the PCs have considerably greater appeal among Ontarians than either of the other two main political parties.”


Respondents were told that Ford had won the Tory leadership before they were asked about their voting preference.

The numbers appear particularly grim for Premier Kathleen Wynne.

Wynne and the Liberals have less than half the number of “locked-in” voters as Ford, who won the Tory nomination last weekend.

Thirty per cent of decided voters plan to support the Progressive Conservatives in the June 7 election, according to the poll, while just 12 per cent plan to vote Liberal.

Thirteen per cent of voters surveyed said they’re locked in to support Andrea Horwath’s New Democrats.

The results raise the possibility of the NDP assuming the role of official Opposition.

“They’ve got more room to grow than the Liberals,” Yufest said.

While Ford enjoys more committed support than Wynne, his backers are also more solid, the polling suggests.

Much of Wynne’s base comes from millennial voters who reached adulthood after 2000, while Ford is backed by an older crowd, according to the poll.

Millennials are very unreliable when it comes to turning out at the polls and voting, Yufest said

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/03/17/progressive-conservatives-driving-towards-majority-government-poll-suggests.html
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They asked the same question from the end', ie which party would you NOT support, which avoided bringing Ford into it ... and for that reason is probably more accurate than most.

Right-wing politicians (particularly populist ones) usually poll a few points below what they end up getting.

I feel that the Ontario electorate's first priority is getting rid of the Wynne government, which gives latitude to both Ford and Horwath. Who replaces it is probably of less significance, but the winds are blowing in a Tory direction.

I don' t understand why the NDP isn't getting at least some boost from the Wynne performance, so it's easy for me to imagine them being the official opposition.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:
And I , as expected, am not dissapointed by your response. Thank you.
Quote:
For all the hoopla surrounding the "eight billion" in inefficiencies;

In reality, on the back of 141.7 billion dollars of revenue, if you simply took the 2017 Liberal Budget verbatim and made no changes we just found ourselves a 7.7 billion dollar surplus, toss all of that at the Debt and you just saved around 0.31 billion in interest.

I just don't see any reason with this revenue stream that we can't keep the stuff that is critical to you and balance the books


I have to agree with all of this but I am stuck on what then constitutes the gravy that Ford is talking about.

Here you are, not a politician canvassing (or ARE you ? wink wink), numbers and data at hand to discuss , and the guy who is the party head cannot name a single thing he would do , or a single number to throw out there.

Except bullshit and lies. 60,000 jobs lost -nope
Saved billions for TO-nope
Condescending to an interviewer who by all measures was polite and not coming from any angle.

So , how can the party let this guy in when by many accounts no one wants him, no one wants to work with him (old guard granted) he doesnt know squat ** about a thing when asked?

And yet, here you are making sense and laying it out. If any other candidate had won, and same laid it all out like this, I would be saying there is the new Premier.

Instead , and full admittance I cannot stand Ford for reasons that go back a long way (neighbourhood issues) and his reluctance to indulge in nothing but insults and slogans. Bully pulpit 24-7 .

So...why dont you run? (next time) Id vote for you .

**- yes, his platform is not yet out , but one would think he'd have some ideas by now, otherwise refuse the interview. Duh !


I aim to please :)

I hear you, The term "gravy" should be banned from politician lexicon forever,
Its demeaning to public sector employees because its not their fault their employer hired them to do the job nor are the majority living in extravagance.

My original original point more so than anything is that I firmly believe that the majority of citizen wouldn't rank "efficiency" as a top five word to define government.

To run a campaign around an inability to balance the books on the back of record revenue citing pork barrel spending and generic inefficiencies should speak to many voters.

In terms of if there are inefficiencies;
I would certainly argue there are some, but the revenue the Province enjoys doesnt even require them being addressed to balance the books IMO.

In terms of why doesn't Ford have answers?
I will give you the answer you don't want to hear and that I hate to admit.

At the moment, Ford isn't the one who has to sell himself to the electorate.

If you are up by some estimations by 20 points over the OLP, you likely aren't going to announce a PST reduction or income tax cut, you likely wait till the writ has been dropped or you wait till a downturn in the polls.

I would also imagine he doesn't have a platform yet;

The PCs had a policy convention last November which you at a minimum need to respect some of, and you have the platform of the last leader which generally speaking most of the folks running didn't mind, I would also imagine working within caucus to build on a platform will be a good exercise in party building.

Its not a one week process and you likely want to wait till after a deficit budget so you can use their numbers to support your claim.

At this point you sit back and let the budget speak for itself;
Make that the topic of the day for the next few weeks and then if it gains traction you start seeing platform planks if it doesn't expect no substance till May.

It may not be ideal, but politics in general is not usually ideal.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poll finds PCs under Ford could win majority in Ontario election

Doug Ford
Ontario PC Leader Doug Ford holds a unity rally in Toronto on Monday, March 19, 2018. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Chris Young


Joshua Freeman, CP24.com
Published Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:03AM EDT
Last Updated Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:20AM EDT


A new poll suggests that the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party under new leader Doug Ford could be poised for a return to power at Queen’s Park.

The Mainstreet Research poll released this morning finds that the Ontario PC Party currently enjoys a 21 point lead over the governing Liberals.

The poll sampled 2,003 Ontarians of voting age on March 17 and March 18 by automated telephone poll and asked them who they would vote for if the election were held today.


It found that the PC Party currently enjoys 47 percent support among decided and leaning voters, while the Liberals under Kathleen Wynne sit at 26.2 per cent. The Ontario NDP under Andrea Horwath sit at 18.6 per cent support and the Green party sits at 6.4 per cent.

“While we fielded this survey before yesterday's Throne Speech, the PCs are in pole position to get an overwhelming win in June,” Mainstreet Research President Quito Maggi said in a release attached to the poll. “This is thanks to the PCs’ large lead in nearly every region in Ontario.”

Within Toronto, the poll found the PCs sit at 37.5 per cent support, compared to 35 per cent for the Liberals; 20.3 per cent for NDP; and six per cent for the Green Party.

Looking wider at the Greater Toronto Area, it found that PC support is even stronger (49.3 per cent), nearly 20 points over the Liberals (30 per cent) and far above the NDP (12.7 per cent) or Greens (5.4 per cent). That would suggest that within the GTA, PC support is currently stronger than that of all major parties combined.

Maggi said that large point leads do sometimes disappear in elections, but the latest numbers show that the Liberals still have a distance to go if they hope to hold on to power.

“A lot can and will change when the campaign actually starts, but the Wynne Liberals find themselves far behind the Ford PCs with less than eighty days before the election,” Maggi said. “It might be a bridge too far for the Liberals to overcome.”

The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.19 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

The provincial election is set to be held on June 7.


https://www.cp24.com/news/poll-finds-pcs-under-ford-could-win-majority-in-ontario-election-1.3850150
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BATRA: PC leader Doug Ford primed and ready to give Kathleen Wynne the boot


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Published:
March 20, 2018


Updated:
March 20, 2018 8:13 AM EDT


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He’s ready.

He finally got his victory lap, and now Doug Ford is showcasing his party as unified and ready to do battle to be the next government of Ontario.

The newly minted leader of the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario spoke to his party’s faithful in the heart of Ford country — Etobicoke — on Monday night.

Surrounded by his three leadership rivals Christine Elliott, Tanya Granic Allan and Caroline Mulroney, Ford spoke to the Tory base about the importance of moving forward and focusing their sights on the real opponent — Premier Kathleen Wynne and her politically corrupt Liberal government.

Ontario PC Leader Doug Ford on the stage at the PC Unity Rally at the Toronto Congress Centre in Toronto, Ont. on Monday March 19, 2018. (Ernest Doroszuk/Toronto Sun)

To an enthusiastic and diverse crowd of nearly 2,000 people, Ford wasn’t shy about taking direct aim at Wynne, who earlier in the day watched the Lieutenant Governor of Ontario deliver her government’s Speech from the Throne — read further mortgaging your and your children’s financial future.

“Today she (Wynne) wrote a lot of cheques but having looked at the finances, I have to warn you folks, Kathleen’s cheques are going to bounce,” Ford said.

And he’s not wrong.

The Liberals are handing Ontarians a massive $8-billion deficit in next week’s budget, with no sign of slowing down spending any time soon.

Their fiscal insanity needs to come to an end, and Ford could very well be the only person who can do that.

With Andrea Horwath and her NDP promising even more free goodies at taxpayers’ expense, it’s not a particularly difficult choice for Ontarians who are desperately looking for change.

Supporters applaud Ontario PC Leader Doug Ford on the stage at the PC Unity Rally at the Toronto Congress Centre in Toronto, Ont. on Monday March 19, 2018. (Ernest Doroszuk/Toronto Sun)

And for those who remain squeamish about a Premier Doug Ford — even some in his own party — ask yourself, how much worse could it be than what we have with the Liberals?

Ford spoke candidly about courting voters from the other parties, said this election isn’t about him — it’s about the people of Ontario and their future.

That’s a message that resonates, regardless of party lines.

Though thin on specific policies he would implement, that wasn’t the point of Monday night’s rally. It was, in part, meant to dispel the “Ford lone wolf” strategy he’s far too often wrongly accused of.


Tanya Granic Allen (from left), Caroline Mulroney and Christine Elliott wait to welcome Ontario PC Leader Doug Ford on the stage at the PC Unity Rally at the Toronto Congress Centre in Toronto, Ont. on Monday March 19, 2018. (Ernest Doroszuk/Toronto Sun)

It was intended to show Ontarians he can work with a strong competent team, as was demonstrated by having Granic Allen, Mulroney and Elliott standing with him.

And the Liberals know this. They are already dispatching their messaging about a potential Ford government – one that is reckless and cold-hearted.


But it won’t work this time. Wynne’s tired government is out of ideas and has been around too long.

Change is coming to Ontario and it will most likely be in the form of Doug Ford’s united PC Party


http://torontosun.com/news/pro.....e-the-boot
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you think the decision has already been made? The actual election is more like an execution day. Wynne rules death row. They're getting their least justifiable projects through ... special favours for the enduring patrons of the party. Wiping the hard drives clean. That kind of stuff.

This is not a horse-race. It's the day we're all going to meet at Tyburn Oak and hang the Premier. You bring the tar, and I'll get the feathers ...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This election is going to serve as a very good preview and case study for unpopular governments around the country;

If Wynne can spend and voter shame her way to victory I suspect she will have laid out the blueprint for Notley NDP in Alberta and potentially the Trudeau Liberals if the current trend holds true.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
This election is going to serve as a very good preview and case study for unpopular governments around the country;

If Wynne can spend and voter shame her way to victory I suspect she will have laid out the blueprint for Notley NDP in Alberta and potentially the Trudeau Liberals if the current trend holds true.



that's a good point there is a number of unpopular provincial governments all across the country , most are liberal or ndp .


I don't think there is any scenario's where its even possible for wynne to win more seats or a higher % of the vote than 2014 , she's clearly going to get less votes no matter what happens , even a minority would be a very difficult goal to reach with todays numbers
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:
cosmostein wrote:
This election is going to serve as a very good preview and case study for unpopular governments around the country;

If Wynne can spend and voter shame her way to victory I suspect she will have laid out the blueprint for Notley NDP in Alberta and potentially the Trudeau Liberals if the current trend holds true.



that's a good point there is a number of unpopular provincial governments all across the country , most are liberal or ndp .


I don't think there is any scenario's where its even possible for wynne to win more seats or a higher % of the vote than 2014 , she's clearly going to get less votes no matter what happens , even a minority would be a very difficult goal to reach with todays numbers


I hope we don't try to inject some suspense into this. I think the real source of suspense is that generated by us waiting for the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario to screw up once again! Or perhaps just Doug Ford!

I posted a video on money laundering in Ontario politics. This may have been an issue in Brown's ouster. Our guy should be demanding to know why convicted money-launderers would be issued a licence to operate a gambling casino? Are they contributors? Why rush this through in the dying days of the government?

The media would have to cover it. They don't have to mention the role it might have played in toppling Brown.

This is probably only the first of these things to come to light, but the PCs ought to be putting the spotlight on Wynne with these demands and implicit suggestions of impropriety.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marieke Walsh‏Verified account @MariekeWalsh · 2h2 hours ago


Dean French, Chris Froggatt, and Kory Teneycke will head up Doug Ford’s election campaign #onpoli





Conservatives with federal roots to head up Ford campaign

By Marieke Walsh. Published on Mar 21, 2018 5:14am


Ontario PC leader Doug Ford talks to media after a caucus meeting at Queen's Park in Toronto on Tuesday, March 20, 2018. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Chris Donovan


Conservatives with deep roots in the federal movement will lead the charge for the Ontario Progressive Conservatives in the upcoming election campaign. Dean French confirmed at Monday night’s “unity rally” that he is Doug Ford’s campaign chair. And a source close to the campaign told iPolitics that Chris Froggatt will be the campaign’s vice-chair and Kory Teneycke


https://ipolitics.ca/2018/03/21/conservatives-with-federal-roots-to-head-up-ford-campaign/
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