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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( the ndp Is trying to promise more than wynne by coming out in favour of a prescription drug and dental plan , its unclear what would be covered but due to cost of dental work it likely be basic items )


Ontario NDP pledges full dental coverage as part of universal health care plan

NDP Leader Andrea Horwath also says she would de-privatize Hydro One, raise corporate tax rates

CBC News Posted: Mar 17, 2018 10:50 AM ET| Last Updated: Mar 17, 2018 4:01 PM ET

Ontario NDP Leader Andrea Horwath addresses supporters at a Toronto campaign-style event on Saturday.


Ontario's NDP is promising to introduce "Canada's first universal Pharmacare plan" that would cover dental care and prescription drug costs should the party form a government following the June provincial election.

NDP Leader Andrea Horwath announced the plan at a campaign-style event in downtown Toronto on Saturday that laid out five key planks of her election platform.

"We are going to make sure every working person in Ontario has dental benefits. And we will make the largest investment in public dental coverage in Ontario's history — so that every senior can get the dental care they need. And every person on social assistance can get the dental care they need," she told a packed room of supporters.

"No one should go years without a trip to the dentist because they're a part-time worker, or retired, or because their job simply doesn't come with benefits ... We can help people be healthier and make life more affordable in our province if we can help more people go to the dentist."


The plan will be called 'Ontario Benefits,' she explained.


The Hamilton Centre MPP went on to explain that the NDP's proposal would also include prescription drug costs. The plan will initially cover 125 of the most commonly prescribed drugs and cost $475 million a year.

"It's a prescription drug plan for everyone, no matter how old you are, no matter where you work, no matter how much money you make," Horwath said.

The Ontario Liberals recently introduced free prescription drugs for anyone under the age of 25. The change, introduced in the 2017 provincial budget, took effect on Jan. 1, 2018.

The NDP's platform also includes a promise to de-privatize Hydro One, improve care for seniors and children, convert provincial student loans into grants that will not have to be repaid and increase corporate tax rates.

More details coming this week

Horwath did not provide comprehensive details about how an NDP government would pay for the promises made Saturday, but said more details about the plan will be made available at a technical brief at Queen's Park on Monday. When asked by reporters after her speech, Horwath wouldn't say whether her plan would run a deeper deficit than the Liberal party's current budget.

A full NDP campaign platform is expected in the next few weeks, she added.

"We are going to run the biggest campaign the NDP has ever run in Ontario," Horwath told the crowd. "It will show everyone why we are running, and why we are running to win."

Ontario NDP Andrea Horwath Toronto rally
Supporters cheer as Ontario NDP Leader Andrea Horwath laid out her election platform in Toronto on Saturday. (Chris Donovan/Canadian Press)

Horwath said the party would also hold the federal government accountable for Indigenous rights issues, pointing to the lack of clean drinking water in some Ontario First Nations communities.

The NDP plan, which also promised increased support for transit and affordable housing, starkly contrasts plans outlined by newly elected PC leader Doug Ford, who promised $6 billion cuts to public spending.

"(Ford) says he'll 'leave no stone unturned' in his hunt to privatize what belongs to the people of Ontario," said Horwath. "Cutting jobs and services, selling off our public assets, that's not change."

Horwath also criticized Wynne, saying voters are sick of broken promises and are ready for change after 15 years of their government.

Wynne, Ford respond

In a statement issued after Horwath's event, Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne said she welcomes "a number of the ideas brought forward by the NDP today, especially those to help seniors, and support our healthcare system."

Wynne said her government will "outline our plan to invest in mental health, health care, home care and child care" in a speech from the throne set for Monday.

Wynne prorogued the legislature late last week to allow for the address, a move that Horwath called a "stunt" and "nothing more than a desperate attempt to wipe the slate clean" heading into an election.

"A PC government will lower hydro rates, scrap Kathleen Wynne and Justin Trudeau's expensive carbon tax, end hallway health care, ensure students are ready for the workforce, and bring good-paying jobs back to our province and accountability back to Queen's Park," said Ford in an emailed statement.

"It's time for a change in Ontario. It's time to respect the taxpayer again."

A recent online poll conducted by Leger suggests that Horwath is narrowly more popular than Wynne, with 15 per cent believing Horwath is the best candidate to lead Ontario. 13 per cent of respondents preferred Kathleen Wynne, but Doug Ford was most popular with 24 per cent believing the populist politician was Ontario's best option.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/.....-1.4581129
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is a mistake. Not that anyone likes dental bills, but it is bound to be an expensive proposition, and there an endless amount of undone dental work out there.

I don't think voters are in any mood to dig deeper.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ontario's NDP outlines plans for full dental coverage

$575M 'Ontario Benefits' plan would be funded by employers and workers

CBC News Posted: Mar 19, 2018 7:40 AM ET| Last Updated: Mar 19, 2018 9:14 AM ET

Ontario NDP Leader Andrea Horwath laid out five key pillars of her upcoming election platform at a campaign-style event in Toronto over the weekend.



Ontario's NDP has unveiled the details of its $1.2-billion proposal to provide dental care coverage for everyone in the province should the party form a government after the June election.

The plan has two distinct parts, one for workers and their families and another for seniors who are living without retiree benefits or are on social assistance.

Called 'Ontario Benefits,' the first element of the proposal would include coverage for all workers in the province, regardless of if they are full-time, independent, contract or freelance. The NDP estimates it would cost the government $575 million per year to implement.

The second part the plan is a $670 million investment to extend publicly-funded dental coverage to ensure all seniors have access to care.

Dental exams, cleanings, fillings, X-rays, preventative and minor restorative dental work and necessary denture fittings are all procedures that would be covered under the regime.

Between Ontario Benefits and public dental coverage, a combined 4.5 million people would receive dental coverage through the programs, according to NDP background materials.

Breaking down the cost

The party says the plan would be funded much in the same way as the Workplace Safety and Insurance Board, Employment Insurance and the Canada Pension Plan are today, with employers funding 75 per cent of the plan and employee contributions making up the rest.

The maximum Ontarians would have to pay for Ontario Benefits would be $4.33 a week.

Those making under $30,000 before taxes would get their Ontario Benefits contributions returned. The NDP says up to 46 per cent of the workforce would receive the refund.

Those making between $30,000 and $50,000 annually would also receive a refund, but it would be based on a sliding scale.


Also, those with existing dental benefits who earn under $50,000 would get an additional refund for the portion of their contributions that already meet the minimum standards.

Employers would be required to provide coverage that will meet or exceed the minimum standard and those who already meet the requirements — which the NDP says is two-thirds of businesses — will see no additional costs. The cost to the remaining businesses is estimated at one per cent of payroll.

Plans for vision care

The NDP says its goal for Ontario Benefits is to eventually include minimum standards for vision-care registered therapies and other services typically covered through workplace health benefit plans.

NDP Leader Andrea Horwath first announced the plan for "Canada's first universal Pharmacare plan" at a campaign-style event in downtown Toronto on Saturday.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/.....-1.4582022
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
I think this is a mistake. Not that anyone likes dental bills, but it is bound to be an expensive proposition, and there an endless amount of undone dental work out there.

I don't think voters are in any mood to dig deeper.



the ndp plan is confusing and would require another deduction on people's pay stubs , it sounds like people with higher incomes would still have to pay the deduction even though they wouldn't use the services and lower income people would get there money back even though they used the services


but the problem with a dental plan is its bound to cost more than whats estimated , there is a reason why some employers don't have dental plans anymore , they got too expensive to maintain

it wouldn't cost that much to cover say 1 check up cleaning a year for someone too poor to pay for one but there bound to need dental work and how much is that going to cost , 1 - 2 fillings could cost $300-$400 if not more , even if the plan just covers basic stuff its bound to be a bottomless pit of expenses
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I don't think Ontario should be considering any potential massive spending initiatives at present, lets say we wanted to entertain this,

Why not simply give employers a tax credit who offer their employees Dental Benefits?

We already have an infrastructure in place for Dental Insurance, creating another governmental monolith just to appear more progressive is a loss for the taxpayer when it could be done some much easier by allowing employers to offer it to their employees via an existing plan.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The difference is, of course, that those who don't work in the corporate sector wouldn't have coverage. Even there, coverage might be spotty.

The NDP wants to extend the benefits to everybody. Just because opioid addicts often don't work doesn't mean they don't need dental care. But I jest. I don't think we have the dentists to handle it.

This is the kind of promise the NDP makes when even the top dog know they have no chance of winning.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( wynne plans to expand her OHIP plus plan but unclear who else might be covered , dental care is also mentioned but unclear what there offering )



Ontario Liberals promise new spending in pre-election speech from throne

Speech laid out legislative priorities before June 7 provincial election

CBC News Posted: Mar 19, 2018 10:28 AM ET| Last Updated: Mar 19, 2018 12:32 PM ET

Ontario's Lt.-Gov. Elizabeth Dowdeswell delivered the speech.


Ontario's Liberal government teased what voters should expect in its upcoming pre-election budget in a speech from the throne on Monday.

The address comes as the province prepares for a June 7 election.

Lt.-Gov. Elizabeth Dowdeswell hinted that Premier Kathleen Wynne's government intends to invest in new programs and expand on a number of initiatives already in place.


Notably, she said that funding to reduce hospital wait times and increase access to home care for seniors and mental health care is coming, as well as an expansion of the OHIP+ program beyond children and youth. Similarly, the scope of who will qualify for post-secondary grants will widen.​

Dowdeswell did not specify who may be covered under an expanded OHIP+, which provides select medications free to Ontarians under 25, but did say "other parts of the population" will now be included.

She also signalled that there will be changes to dental care coverage.

Wynne prorogued the legislature last week to set the table for today's speech and has denied it's an attempt to wipe the slate clean before the vote on June 7.

The speech comes a week before the government is set to table its 2018 budget, which is expected to include a deficit of about $8 billion the Liberals say is necessary to beef up spending on health care, child care and support for students.

"After delivering a balanced budget this year, your government has made a deliberate choice to make more investments in the care and the services that the people of this province rely on," Dowdeswell said.

"As a result, the 2018 budget will show a modest deficit next year of less than one per cent of our GDP, and outline a path back to a balanced budget."


Health care is already emerging as a central theme in the run-up to the official start of campaign season.

Ontario NDP Leader Andrea Horwath was at Queen's Park on Monday morning to provide more details on her party's $1.2-billion proposal to provide dental care coverage for everyone in the province. Speaking to reporters, Horwath said that an NDP government would "absolutely" run a deficit but said it was necessary because of Liberal fiscal mismanagement.


Horwath also committed to convert student loans into grants that would not need to be repaid, improve long-term care for seniors, de-privatize Hydro One and raise taxes for "profitable" corporations.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/.....-1.4582331
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't stop laughing. Seriously, what can be more preposterously funny than this bit of political slapstick?

We are actually going into an election in a province that is reaching record levels of debt, that out-spends California per capita, and the two parties of the left are competing on giveaways.

Horwath thinks this would be the perfect time to offer government dental coverage.

Not to be outdone, Wynne slyly suggests We've got more, as she hoists her skirt above her bony knee, and leers suggestively.

I don't know why I am going tp enjoy this so much -- I don't really relish blood, I avoid slasher movies ... but this election is shaping up to be such a shit-kicking that you can't help but smile in anticipation.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has a taped bit from Wynne campaigning at Humber College in Toronto.

This is a description. This is from The Roy Green Show, a national radio phone-in program. The relevant part is in the first two or three minutes.

Quote:
While speaking at Humber College, Kathleen Wynne told students to get out and vote on June 7th or else "old white people" will.

Additionally, Hillary Clinton recently stated her belief that white women voted for Donald Trump because they were commanded to do so by their husbands, bosses and sons.
https://omny.fm/shows/roy-green-show/callers-kathleen-wynne-tells-students-to-vote-or-e


Once again, this shows the desperation -- and it also shows us what identity politics is coming to when things get desperate. The left is becomng openly racist.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( whats shocking is wynne actually made this comment , she's truly losing it and her electoral chances have never been worse , some are even speculating she might lose her own riding if things go really bad )


AGAR: ‘Shocking’ Wynne comment demonizes old, white voters


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Hey, old white people. Stop outvoting the interests of young people and minorities.

Maybe just stop voting.

Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne at Humber College on Friday said, “If you don’t vote, then somebody who looks like me is going to vote, some senior person, older than me, some white person.”

So let’s count the ways this is an outrageous comment, based on the metrics liberals usually use to attack conservatives.

First, it is ageist. To suggest that old and young people may not have the same party and policies in mind on election day is presumptuous at best.

Perhaps both demographics are concerned about employment and the ability to get by on what they earn. Both have lagged under 14 years of the Liberals.

Perhaps minorities are just as concerned about hydro rates and the disappearance of manufacturing jobs in Ontario as old white people.

Her assertion is that the votes of old, white people need to be challenged and negated.

It is of course also racist. Does she feel that old black people’s votes are fine? What about elderly Chinese voters? Are they OK?

Middle aged Aboriginals? What about them?

What sort of person goes to speak to a group and makes the blatant assumption — and assertion — that the group’s interests are automatically counter to and in danger from one other particular demographic?

The answer might be a person who is pandering to the lowest common denominator on race; the sort of thing liberals like to accuse conservatives of.

Ali Taghva, writing “as a person of colour,” on thepostmillennial.com argues, “Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne has now begun to play full-scale identity politics. If you are white or old, then you automatically prescribe to have a set of beliefs, values, and pre-noted crimes. If you are young or not white, you are prescribed a different set. She does this with purpose, hoping to separate individuals along those lines with no care in regards to what that will do to our society.”

It is a shocking thing to hear from a government that insists that employers be colour-blind in their decisions, but perhaps not surprising from Wynne, as she said recently that we need to view government policy “through a race lens.”

What would happen if a similar derogatory comment about one demographic was made at a workplace?

Sunira Chaudhri, a labour lawyer at Levitt, LLP responds, “Saying that at a workplace would flood the Human Rights Tribunal with complaints.”

It is true that voting participation increases as we get older.

It is also true that visible minorities seem to vote at a smaller percentage than what some surveys call “other Canadians.”

But no responsible person would attempt to increase voter turnout in one group by demonizing another. It is shameful.

If Wynne walked the talk she constantly delivers about a caring, fair, inclusive society she would work to engage all groups in the value of exercising the amazing right we have to have our say in who leads us in this country.

Perhaps Wynne could make up for her insult by creating a “safe space” for older white people who were “triggered” by her comments.

After all, that’s the sort of language she would use if PC Leader Doug Ford had made such an odious assertion as hers.


http://canoe.com/opinion/colum.....94fb085e17
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What else is this but a call based on racial hate?

It's a call to rally the newcomers (in relative terms) against the boomers. There's age-hate in there too.

This is right at the core of government. It is all through the education system and the courts already, working behind an ideology of Social Justice. It exists as a "chill" that silences and a quiet terror for one's career if one is a white male. And it has been getting worse and worse for thirty years.

They have picked off MPs on unsupported allegations years ago, long before Harvey Weinstein came to official notice. But now, politicians are appealing to voters in select groups. Wynne tells these students that if they don't vote old white men will get elected and destroy the environment and impose compulsory motherhood on the women. The Patriarchy will win!

Why does she dare? Because she was once the deputy minister of education. She knows the kids have been taught that white men are the basic problem in the world! The bigots are only trusting what their teachers have taught them. Think on that!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:

Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne at Humber College on Friday said, “If you don’t vote, then somebody who looks like me is going to vote, some senior person, older than me, some white person.”


http://canoe.com/opinion/colum.....94fb085e17


The socially acceptable bigotry begins.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( more free goodies but only if you vote liberal , wynne will make prescription drugs free for seniors but not until august 2019 if she's still in power )


Ontario Liberals would make prescription drugs free for people 65 and older

Move would take effect Aug. 1, 2019 if Liberals win next provincial election

CBC News Posted: Mar 20, 2018 11:26 AM ET| Last Updated: Mar 20, 2018 12:05 PM ET

Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne promised on Tuesday that the provincial Liberal party would make prescription drugs free for people 65 and over if elected again in June.



Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne promised on Tuesday that the provincial Liberal party would make prescription drugs free for people 65 and over if elected again in June.

"It's going to be one less thing that people have to worry about," Wynne told reporters at the Leaside Curling Club in Toronto.

Wynne said more than 4,400 prescription drugs would be available free of charge to seniors through an expansion of the government's OHIP+ program.


The expansion would take effect on Aug. 1, 2019. Ontario goes to the polls on June 7 this year.

Wynne said residents aged 65 or older would no longer have to pay a deductible or co-payment and would be able to present an eligible prescription and OHIP number at any Ontario pharmacy and receive their medication for free.

Move would save average senior $240 a year

She said the move would save people 65 years old and over an average of $240 a year.

In a news release, the provincial government said prescription drugs covered by the program would include medications for cholesterol, hypertension, thyroid conditions, diabetes and asthma.

prescription drugs
Wynne said the expansion of OHIP+ would eliminate the program's deductible and co-payments for seniors, making medications free for people 65 and older who are insured by OHIP. (iStock)

Currently, people 65 and over are eligible for prescription drug coverage through the Ontario Drug Benefit program, which requires seniors to pay deductibles and co-payments based on income and other factors.

Wynne said the expansion of OHIP+ would eliminate the program's deductible and co-payments for seniors, making medications free for people 65 and older who are insured by OHIP.

Cost would be $575M by 2020-21

According to the news release, a Liberal government would spend $575 million by 2020-21 to expand the free prescription drug program to seniors.

Wynne said the party is making this promise because health care costs can cause anxiety and stress for seniors living on fixed incomes and the government needs to do more to help to provide support.

"Providing prescription drugs at no cost for millions of seniors is going to make life more affordable and help seniors stay healthy and independent," she said in the release.

"It is the right thing to do for seniors and their families."


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/.....82?cmp=rss
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A move to try and secure the "Old white people" vote she didn't want yesterday.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( new angus reid premier's performance ratings continue to show dismal #'s for wynne , only 19 % approval , no increase at all from last survey and in my view too low a number for re election , a premier would need to be at mid 30% or low 40% to get re elected )


Wynne’s woes continue

It’s crunch time in Ontario with a June election date looming over Liberal leader and Premier Kathleen Wynne. With just under three months to go the picture looks bleak for the incumbent. While approval is no substitute for vote intention, it can be a harbinger of things to come. Despite some policy wins with voters on the minimum wage and electricity rates cuts, among others, Wynne still hasn’t been able to soften potential voters. Just one-in-five Ontario residents (19%) say they approve of her performance.

Regardless of the chaos and confusion that was the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario’s leadership race, polls show new PCPO leader Doug Ford with a healthy advantage over Wynne in vote intention.


http://angusreid.org/premier-approval-march2018/
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