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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:32 am    Post subject: Nuttall blames Toronto elites for turmoil in PC Party Reply with quote

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Nuttall blames 'Toronto elites' for turmoil in PC party

Nuttall points finger at 'Toronto elites'

A Barrie MP says the turmoil inside Ontario's PC party is a result of what he calls 'Toronto elites.' CTV Barrie's Sean Grech reports.
Published Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:59PM EST
A Barrie MP says "Toronto elites" within the Ontario Progressive Conservative party are responsible for the turmoil that's developed after Patrick Brown's departure as leader.
Alex Nuttall

During an impromptu news conference on Parliament Hill on Wednesday, Barrie-Springwater-Oro-Medonte MP Alex Nuttall made a blunt statement about the party’s current state.

"According to my constituents, this was in fact an inside job that transpired over the past week."

“We had 28 elites whose ridings represent less than 1 per cent of the 200,000 members of the PC party of Ontario, try to appoint the next premier. Circumventing democracy. they did this without the moral authority that can only be granted by the membership of the PC party of Ontario," he said.

He's also accusing the same people of attempting to expel tens of thousands of party members.

"The conservative movement should never and can never define people by their race, by their faith, by what region of the world that they come from, by their first or last name."

On Tuesday, interim leader Vic Fedeli promised to, as he put it, "root out the rot" in the party.

"I am going to devote all my time exclusively now as interim leader to fix what I know needs to be fixed," Fedeli said.

On Wednesday, party executives insist they're playing fair.

"We are not a party of elites or an executive of elites. I can tell you that our executive gets elected and possibly re-elected every two or three years. We consult the membership. The membership votes us in or votes us out," says Justin Van Dette, regional VP for the party in Toronto.

Political expert Michael Johns says Nuttall's stance highlights a deep divide.

"On the one side you have the caucus who were elected in the last election under Tim Hudak and had mostly had supported Patrick Brown's opposition during the leadership campaign, and you had Patrick Brown and his people."

The provincial election is in June. Johns says the party needs to resolve its internal issues and show unity before Ontarians vote.
https://barrie.ctvnews.ca/nuttall-blames-toronto-elites-for-turmoil-in-pc-party-1.3784070
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nuttal's statement was sort of crazy though , he refers to the 28 current pc mpp's as Toronto elites , even though they were democratically elected by there own ridings


but it speaks to the problems the pc's have in Barrie Ontario , is Brown going to be allowed to run in Barrie Springwater Oro Medonte ? or is his nomination going to be blocked

if he does run what kind of campaign would he possibly run on ?

if he doesn't run who is going to replace him ?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is a split developing in the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario?

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Reevely: Patrick Brown is gone but Ontario Tories he angered are still disillusioned
David ReevelyDAVID REEVELY
Published on: January 31, 2018 | Last Updated: January 31, 2018 6:33 PM EST

Now that Patrick Brown is out as leader of the Ontario Progressive Conservatives, some right-wingers he angered with his centrist politics aren’t necessarily rushing back.

Brown quit last week after CTV News reported on one woman’s allegation that he exposed himself to her and another woman’s claim that he assaulted her in his home. Brown, who has “categorically” denied the allegations, had pinned his hopes in June’s provincial election on promises way to the left of his party’s usual comfort zone: Subsidized electricity bills, tax credits for child care, a carbon tax. That’s just the start of the leftish promises in the 80-page Tory platform with Brown’s face big and proud on the cover.

Ottawa’s Jay Tysick sought the party’s nomination in the new Carleton riding but the party disqualified him before the vote in late 2016 — because, in his telling, his politics are too conservative for Brown’s middle-of-the-road vision. He tracked stories of disqualifications all over the province, grew increasingly disillusioned, and eventually quit to form the Alliance Party of Ontario.

The party, whose name will soon be changed to Ontario Alliance, is a philosophical descendant of the Reform and Canadian Alliance parties that broke away from the federal Progressive Conservatives in the 1990s. More populist, more individualist, more religiously minded than the Tories, the party’s founding principles mark the supremacy of God, the importance of “natural families” and the benefits of small and decentralized government.

Tysick is the Alliance’s interim leader, until a full convention picks a permanent one, and claims 30 candidates for the election due in June (out of 128 ridings, but that’s still a lot for an upstart party) and several thousand members.

“We’ve got riding associations, we’ve got university clubs,” he said. The Alliance saw an uptick in new members once Brown’s scandal broke, he said.

“The party today is the exact same party it was two weeks ago. Nothing’s really changed,” Tysick said.

Brown is gone and his interim successor Vic Fedeli has purged the leader’s office; Tory party president Rick Dykstra soon resigned just ahead of a story (which he denies) that he sexually assaulted a woman in 2014. But the rest of the party executive is still in place and so are Brown’s policies. Fedeli also kept Brown’s chief of staff as his own.

Ontario PC party interim leader Vic Fedeli speaks at a press conference after a caucus meeting at Queen’s Park in Toronto on Friday, January 26, 2018. NATHAN DENETTE / CP

Many of Brown’s backers have moved to support Caroline Mulroney’s yet-undeclared leadership bid. The rookie candidate in York-Simcoe, one of Brown’s prize recruits, could end up being Brown without the baggage, Tysick said.

“The platform … is still there. The candidates that Brown installed are still there,” Tysick said. “Brown was the face of the things that we were upset with and hoping to oppose. But with him gone, it’s still the same party.”

Fedeli is on the right track but there’s too much to do, Tysick said. “The task is too daunting. I wish him well, but I don’t know how far he’s going to be able to progress.”

Another outspoken Progressive Conservative dissident has a lot of the same concerns but more hope the Tories can be hauled back to the right.

Lawyer Jim Karahalios dropped out of the party’s nomination race in Cambridge last fall. He ended up arguing that Brown’s support for a carbon tax made it impossible to be both a federal Conservative and an Ontario Progressive Conservative at the same time; the party sued him on claims he’d misused a copy of the Tory membership list but lost.

In December, he said, he found out his membership had been revoked. He wants it back.

“I’ve always considered myself to be a PC party guy. You devote 15 years of your life to a party, (being ejected is) not going to deter me,” Karahalios said. “I believe that the vast majority of members of the party agree with me. I’ve always considered myself a PCer.”

He is not done fighting, however.

Since Brown’s downfall, Karahalios has been sending open letters about cleaning house in the Progressive Conservative party’s executive. After Brown went, he wrote that Dykstra had to go. After Dykstra went, he wrote that Fedeli needed to scrutinize the party’s membership list and reconsider the Brown-faced election platform.

“It’s not in alignment with what a majority of members believe. That’s clear. And that’s the fight: is to stop the splintering of conservatives in Ontario, because the PCs are the natural home,” Karahalios said.

Now, he said, the rules for the upcoming leadership contest are being drafted by an executive group still loaded with Brown’s people and could favour candidates who will just cement Brown’s legacy. Karahalios might run himself, if the party allows it and lets him propose the policies he favours.

“It’s traditional in politics that when a leader’s out, his team and the people he brought in, they bow out,” he said. “I am aghast, appalled, that they haven’t made an effort to create a transition that doesn’t appear to be free of conflict of interest.”
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/.....illusioned


I don't believe for a moment -- that is, I will need to see solid evidence -- that 'the right' had anything to do with researching out the rumour mills to find a woman or two with a Patrick Brown story. And it wasn't the right wing that was totally unprepared for what ought to have been on the list of expected attacks. We are. after all, dealing with our openly lesbian premier of Ontario, who is desperate.

But worst of all, it wasn't the right wing that panicked and pulled the rug out from under the leader, thus announcing to the world that they were taking the allegations as true, and getting rid of the rapists amongst their candidates.

Bonehead move of the year. It's caused at least a stirring amongst the populist wing of the party. You know, populists. Our base, people like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-1Dy-fUEhA

Those people are beginning to wonder if ANYONE speaks for them.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in trying to figure out who was responsible for the accusations , think you have to look at who's benefited most from Patrick Brown's fall from grace . and well he had a lot of enemies within the conservative movement , from social conservatives to right wing tories .
I can't help but single in on 1 of the most likely options .

the Barrie Springwater Oro Medonte liberal association or Barrie liberals in general , they've benefited greatly . a riding that was seen as a sure thing for the pc's , no liberal candidate would of ever beaten brown if he had run as pc leader in Barrie . is now a wide open race ( either brown runs with the stigma of sexual harassment accusations against him or a new lesser known pc candidate runs ) , where the liberals are now seen as having a credible chance but still don't have a candidate


the fact the accusations were also "local " in nature leads more to the idea they originated or someone from barrie politically involved found out about them . brown has spent a lot of time in Toronto and Ottawa but these accusations came from barrie itself .

what I know about the barrie liberals is there a fairly bitter organization , federally they haven't won the riding since 2004 , that is a lot of losing elections thanks to Patrick brown . they surely must of hated him and idea he'd easily hold the provincial seat for years would of no doubt upset them , if they had found out about these women , it wouldn't surprise me that they are somehow involved

the former liberal mp Aileen Carrol , that brown beat in 2006 to become mp , was so upset in 2006 that she wouldn't even come to the campaign office to congratulate brown after he won , then she ran provincially in 2007 and beat the pc mpp Joe Tascona who was somehow related to brown I believe , but she left by the 2011 election
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point is this -- there was no need to rush the decision. They were panicked by the social media response. They failed to see is that a large part of that response was because Brown seemed like such an unlikely target.

They should have stood by him and tested out the charges. They ought to start their own investigation about how this bit of 'journalism' came about. They should not have worried about a young woman who got into a bar underage, accepted an invitation to go to his house, etc etc and end up giving this stranger a blowjob. I don't mean to embarrass her, but why is it Brown that's the one misbehaving here?

In real life, sex is a complex, and often wordless dance of gestures that includes dress and presentation. There is a series of steps ... and the women assents to the next level of advances through gestures. The man is supposed to keep showing his interest, and he is supposed to verbalize them "euphemistically". When a woman is invited on a house tour at midnight in a guy's house she just met in a bar. what do you suppose it means?

Who is kidding who with this 'human rights' baloney? That isn't the reality. The reality is there are young precocious girls, Lolitas, out there who read how-to articles on blowjob tricks in Cosmopolitan every month, and who can't wait to be players. It may only be 1%, but they're out there. When this woman got into the car on her way to Brown's place, what do you think she expected to happen?

You are hopelessly naive if you think that this girl is an innocent virgin who was set upon by an aggressive man who held power over her.

They should try to show that side of the event. Try to make it less like exploitation, and more like Jagmeet Singh's romantic trysts with young girls. A decision can be made a week later, when the dust has settled somewhat. If it hasn't settled, OK ... but if it has, it's one more hurdle survived.

Instead, they have unleashed chaos.
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